Egypt on the brink

[startrekeagle]

I see im not only one seeing daylight here although still some not seeing all. NRAMAN is right i worked refinerys in texas & la. no new refinery in last 28 Years! Takes 10 years for permit approval BEFORE a shovel can be stuck in ground. As stated i drive cng vehicle & i also would like to see cng station on every corner. Problem is Approx $375K to install one that will be effictive at fueling multiple cars. ONG just put one in tulsa. We have developed Or in development enough natural gas fields to run this country for 150 years at the current rate of expansion & the pollution from the exhaust is almost zero. Now hydrogen would be even better, so much cheaper & no pollution at all. But our gov will never allow that technology because even an idiot with a blasting cap & a pair of pliers could make his small car into something that would rival OKC. Want to make a difference, contact your politicians tell them you want all they can do to streamline the refinery permit process. Have them look into the over 40 patents the big oil people hold on carbs that get 50 & above mpg. Lift all restrictions on drilling in alaska. There is a field there that will rival saudi arabia. The russians know about it because they are drilling into it. Make your voice be heard or doom our children to a USA that has a 3rd world status. Your fathers & grandfathers would have laughed at this but now is a real possibility. My children volunteered to defend this Great country the least we can do is raise hell with politicans or if that doesn't work vote in new ones.

Keep your powder dry & your weapon clean!
Grumps

 

[yukonjack]

Expect gasoline prices to jump by 10 to 15 cents per gallon in the morning.

 

[Dale00]

actually, as far as the Egypt and Israel are concerned, the Camp David Accords were very successful. They haven't fought since.

Perhaps U.S. aid kept an unpopular dictator in power in Egypt for too long. Without the massive amounts of U.S. aid perhaps Mubarak would have lost power in a minor coup long ago. Apparently he was brutal and used torture widely. The parallels to Iran and the Shah may apply.

 

[dennishoddy]

The Suez Canal might be shut down for a short period of time, but do any of you think it will last? A few days maybe. Nothing more. The worlds economy resides on this canal and the Panama Canal. It doesn't matter who owns them.

 

[Nraman]

. Lift all restrictions on drilling in alaska. There is a field there that will rival saudi arabia.

No can't do.
It would bring the oil prices down, the higher the better for the oil business.
We attacked Iraq to maintain high oil prices. If you think this statement is BS, read the script of the last meeting between Saddam and April Glaspie US ambassador to Iraq just before the war.
"GLASPIE: We have many Americans who would like to see the price go above $25 because they come from oil-producing states."
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/mrs_panstreppon/2006/10/transcript-ambassador-april-gl.php

 

[Nraman]

I was wondering; you are an Egyptian with serious grievances against your government and you feel very strongly about burning a car to make your point.
Question: Do you burn your own car or do you protect your car and burn somebody else's?
Just wondering.

 

[RickN]

I was wondering; you are an Egyptian with serious grievances against your government and you feel very strongly about burning a car to make your point.
Question: Do you burn your own car or do you protect your car and burn somebody else's?
Just wondering.

You steal the car pool from the US embassy and burn them.

Seriously when the cops all disappeared, all the cars from the US embassy were stolen.

 

[Nraman]

This. How many times have seen seen the same nonsense played out at Camp David: The Egyptians, the Israelis and the Palestinians are given many billions of dollars in aid as a bribe to sign a peace agreement to make an American president look good. Look what it bought us.

Actually it can be dumber than that.
Back when the Israelis gave up the Sinai Peninsula, as they left they blew up any buildings they had built. We paid them for the loss of the buildings. Then we paid the Palestinians because the buildings that would have gone to them were blown up.
Everybody in the Mideast is playing us like a fiddle and we are too busy buying the propaganda to pay attention.
Right this moment, as we destroy the future of our children by borrowing trillions that can not be paid back, we are throwing away billions and billions to all of them. Israel, Egypt, Palestinians, they all get money we borrowed with interest. There is nobody in DC to say that we ran out of money and they have to make do without the freebies for a while. We have to cut off even our children from the free money, eventually, but we cannot cut off the Mideast. We have to keep paying for ever as if we are a conquered nation paying tribute to the conquerors. With borrowed money from the Chinese.

 

[Gideon]

Tell me you are joking, you really think that the country is in position to go through a huge oil hike? It takes decades to get geared up to produce our own oil, but that is not even the point the price hike alone will finish us off. What you see in Egypt will be what happens here.
OT for a minute for an interesting video.
http://www.youtube.com/user/fiercefreeleancer

Of course we aren't ready, that's why we need it. If we could take the hit, then we wouldn't be worried about it in the first place.

All I'm saying is that necessity is the mother of invention, and we have had a subdued sense of urgency about important issues in recent decades.

The idea that individual consumers are responsible for the majority of waste and mass consumption is the product of intellectual blame shifting. The majority of all pollution is corporate and the majority of a cost of a gallon of fuel is taxes individual consumers are denied access to real world technologies by greedy corporations and the stooges they pay to put into office.

The idea that individual consumers have no control over the economy is equally wrong. The corporations keep producing bad products and maintaining the status quo because no one is demanding the norm be changed. High gas prices in recent years have sped the development of electric and hybrid vehicles, and the same will happen this time.

 

[mhphoto]

Hope this wasn't already posted: http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/30/w...lians-arm-themselves-to-protect/?ncid=webmail

Another reason we can't let any more gun control BS go through Congress. If our debt levels ever end up shutting the gov't down I want more than a damn stick to defend myself with.