Federal Deficit getting smaller - according to the latest news reports

[daniel1daniel2]

here is all the debt that the gov will admit to
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
(need high speed internet because it updates a lot)

and here is the one for Oklahoma
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-oklahoma-debt-clock.html

 

[ez bake]

It's not the same but no less significant, one will eventually affect the other yes? Debts are accumulated deficits.

I'm going to say that each presidency needs to be looked at objectively before superficially comparing numbers. So comparing Clinton, (who wasn't all that)Bush, Reagan, etc doesn't relieve Obama of any responsibility.

100% agreement here and I don't think how much you spend is what makes/breaks you as a president (in reality, there are far more important factors involved), but when it comes to our national debt, we owe a good chunk of it to W and Ronny (and Barry is breaking his neck to out-do both of those guys on spending).

In which, anyone with half a brain could see that Romney was light years closer to this mentality than Obama ever was.

Based on his failed senate campaign (and what he "supported" when running), the things he supported while governor of MA, and his time at Bain Capital (and the money Bain received from the Federal Government), I am going to have to say he wouldn't be too much farther behind Obama on spending. In reality though, Bush wasn't too far behind Barry in spending, so really all modern-day politicians seem to think we can continue making money out of thin air.

All of this is moot IMO, nobody in their right mind can say we are headed on the right track on fiscal matters in this country. WE are an embarassment, from top to bottom and he's our leader. He had four years, and initially a dem controlled congress and he's done jack schitt outside of pile up taxes, legislature, and regulations. Just because we might drop a few fractions of a precentage points on some chart, doesn't reflect what's going on in the real world. Do you see leadership on fiscal matters? budget? energy policy? foreign policy? All of these aspects tie into our economy and no matter what way it's spun, it's disgusting to see Obama and all of his supporters do all the fingerpointing.

I dunno about you, but in oversimplified terms, Dad would still give me swats no matter what my sister, cousins, or friends did or used to do. I was held accountable for my actions and there wasn't any getting out of it.

No argument here man - if I did a $#!++y job at McDonalds, I'd get fired.

 

[JD8]

100% agreement here and I don't think how much you spend is what makes/breaks you as a president (in reality, there are far more important factors involved), but when it comes to our national debt, we owe a good chunk of it to W and Ronny (and Barry is breaking his neck to out-do both of those guys on spending).

and that's the key..... how is he spending the money? Are we facilitating small businesses? stimulating infrastructure? Does he do anything that's pro business?

Now say what you will about the Romney's past or history (apples to oranges IMO) I have an extremely tough time believing his spending would be as irresponsible or just downright stupid. There's a LOT of hands in the cookie jar in this administration.