Good old UPS

[GorillaG]

UPS lost my gun for me today. Grandsons Christmas gift. Would have probably got away with it too but I instantly tracked down a live human and raised hell. The driver miraculously "found it" when I pointed out their BS. My FFL lives in the boonies but the USPS, FEDEX and UPS drivers all go there often so they all know where his house is. It's always been my understanding that ALL firearms require a signature capture. When I tried to track it on their site it said it was delivered, but rather than a signature, the endorsement just said "Met Customer". My FFL guy was homes all day and has cameras everywhere that he can see anyone arriving and hear them and talk to them. He said no one came all day. When their manager contacted the driver he said he delivered it to some people up the road. I don't accept ANY thing that's not addressed to me and it had my FFL's name and address clearly printed. Does anyone know if the ATF requires Signature Capture. UPS is telling me the shipper decides which packages needs a signature and which doesn't Not sure how accurate Google is but they said ALL firearms require a signature. They wanted my FFL to go get the package but he said no, you guys mis-delivered it so you go get it. So they sent a guy out and delivered it correctly but it sure sounds fishy to me. In 30 yrs at the USPS I've seen a couple guys canned for violence or violent threats, and I saw a couple fired for stealing birthday cards. But in 30 years and 5 post offices I never saw any get in trouble for stealing a gun. Has anyone had a gun disappear while en route to you?

 

[CHenry]

OMG, stupid is as stupid does

 

[dennishoddy]

Only had guns shipped a few times that I can count on one hand, but it sure sounds like someone was trying to steal that package.

 

[GorillaG]

Only had guns shipped a few times that I can count on one hand, but it sure sounds like someone was trying to steal that package.

Yeah I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow and see if my FFL says it was his regular deliveryman. the address was printed correctly and he gets guns delivered on a regular basis so it's a bit hard to believe the usual driver would misdeliver something, he would no doubt know is a gun, to the wrong guy, at the wrong house, then fail to get the required signature. I'm thinking maybe he stashed it somewhere, planning to retrieve it after work.i understand people make mis-deliveries but for their excuses to all be true would require a perfect storm

 

[BobbyV]

It's really hit or miss with FedEx and/or UPS when it comes to getting the signature. Depends on the driver in most cases.

 

[elwoodtrix]

I can tell you by the tracking number if the package was sent out requiring a signature. There are a couple of levels of requiring a signature. A signature required, or an adult signature required(generally alcohol or firearms or high value items). GPS would be able to track wherever the package was scanned. I rarely see co workers(drivers) getting fired for stealing. Not saying that it doesn't happen as there are stories in the news occasionally. There are over 100,000 drivers that work for UPS and you will get some bad apples. I did have a driver supervisor get caught stealing guns, but that was 25 years ago and definitely a different time.

 

[GorillaG]

OMG, stupid is as stupid does

"You have to do the best with what God gave you." —Mrs. Gump

 

[GorillaG]

Only had guns shipped a few times that I can count on one hand, but it sure sounds like someone was trying to steal that package.

I've had plenty shipped, first time it ever happened but I trust FedEx and USPS a lot more than UPS. I'm always disappointed when I find out it was shipped through them. I once shipped a CRT monitor through them because it was too big for the USPS and the UPS manager told me: "well we will ship it but I guarantee you we'll break it". Hard to get a guarantee like that from USPS or FedEx. Sure they will break it too but they won't GUARANTEE to break it!!!

 

[turkeyrun]

IMO,
1.Driver most likely guilty.
2. Nothing will be done.
3. BATFE will do nothing

 

[GorillaG]

I can tell you by the tracking number if the package was sent out requiring a signature. There are a couple of levels of requiring a signature. A signature required, or an adult signature required(generally alcohol or firearms or high value items). GPS would be able to track wherever the package was scanned. I rarely see co workers(drivers) getting fired for stealing. Not saying that it doesn't happen as there are stories in the news occasionally. There are over 100,000 drivers that work for UPS and you will get some bad apples. I did have a driver supervisor get caught stealing guns, but that was 25 years ago and definitely a different time.

Yes the web site said the tracking would show if there was a sig required but it said "met customer" They went back out and got it from my FFL's neighbor and delivered it correctly. My guy said it was not the regular driver. It's much easier to mis-deliver something than people realize. My customers were very caring and considerate...they always inquired if I could read or not. I found out it's a lot easier to grovel for them (that's all most want) then their happy. It takes way too long to explain "I've got 500 houses to deliver and 100 dismounts for Amazon crap I'm not getting paid for but expected to deliver in the same time as when I had 5 dismounts. All's well that ends well I'm retired now and only dream I'm back at the USPS 4 or 5 times a week. Theres a reason PO workers snap.