Had to Use My Gun

[Comte DeLoach]

Usually, if a person is very, very good at something, they don't feel the need to try and tear others down. And if someone does think that they must try and belittle others, it usually indicates that they are not very good at the activity in question.
I am sure that some of us know a few martial artists, black belts in such things as karate and Tae kwon do (sp?). You rarely hear them brag on their skill, and they don't go about telling others that they suck either. They dont thump their chests and tell the world 'Look at me and see what a badass I am', especially they don't brag about how they have never lost a fight. Because almost everyone loses fights (or misses a shot) and contrary to assertions made by the one gentleman in this thread, it doesn't mean that if a person doesn't do well in one particular instance, (me vs. the skunk) that they are, by definiton, poor marksmen.
My experience with braggarts is that they are usually very small-minded people who are better at shooting off their mouths, or in this case their keyboards, than they are their guns.
Now, I'd like to address the issue of bullseye shooting and its' relevance to my situation, in particular whether or not I should be carrying due to my alleged poor marksmanship.
Prior to the 1950's, almost all US police departments used the standard bullseye course for qualification. Their scores were sometimes very impressive. But a lot of the same officers who did so well on the bullseye course, when they were in actual combat, did not do well at all. The departments finally figured out that while bulllseye target shooting might be a good skill for an officer to have, its' relevance to the reality of combat was limited. When this hit home, they changed their qualification course to PPC and other shooting disciplines, and the results were much better for the officers on the streets. Jeff Cooper has said that combat shooters, while they might be less accurate than bullseye shooters, typically strike a much heavier blow and they strike it much much quicker. In other words, it makes no real difference to the outcome of the fight if you are aiming for the X-ring, but instead hit the ten-ring. Your adversary will be just as dead. This is not to say that precision accuracy is of no benefit, but it is not the be-all and end-all that some seem to think.
The question needs to be addressed: which person stands a better chance in a fight: one who takes thirty seconds and puts the bullet very precisely in the center of the X-ring at 25 yards or the person who can place the shot in the 8-ring but takes only one to two seconds to do so at five to seven yards? To me at least, the answer is obvious.
I am not knocking bullseye target shooting. But as the late Chic Gaylord has said "Target shooting has the same relationship to combat shootng that judo has to ballet."
In short, comparing bullseye and practical (combat) shooting are about like comparing apples and oranges. They are not the same: one demads great speed and moderate accuracy and the the other reqires precision accuracy but has much more generous time limits.
Using this gentleman's logic then, 95% of law enforcement should put their guns away 'before they hurt somebody'.
Like I say, apples and oranges.

Never said other forms of training werent useful, just said you dont know how to shoot and need to go back to basics. 7 out of 8 misses on a skunk at 45 feet, even if you are as great as you think you are should have told you something is seriously wrong with your training. And no "waffle house scenerio" is going to help you until you get those basics down pat.

Within two rounds, if you were missing as close as you say, you should have been on target and have hit the skunk. 2 rounds. Maybe three. But it took you 8 rounds until you got on target and hit him. Your probably lucky he didnt come over and bite you for pissing him off.

As far as being called a braggert, well, everyone has opinions just like everyone else has assholes....Yours doesnt mean a whole lot to me since from your own statements I know you dont know what your talking about. But hey, if it makes you feel better, please, continue to call me names. It doesnt hurt me any at all.

 

[penismightier]

Never said other forms of training werent useful, just said you dont know how to shoot and need to go back to basics. 7 out of 8 misses on a skunk at 45 feet, even if you are as great as you think you are should have told you something is seriously wrong with your training. And no "waffle house scenerio" is going to help you until you get those basics down pat.

Within two rounds, if you were missing as close as you say, you should have been on target and have hit the skunk. 2 rounds. Maybe three. But it took you 8 rounds until you got on target and hit him. Your probably lucky he didnt come over and bite you for pissing him off.

As far as being called a braggert, well, everyone has opinions just like everyone else has assholes....Yours doesnt mean a whole lot to me since from your own statements I know you dont know what your talking about. But hey, if it makes you feel better, please, continue to call me names. It doesnt hurt me any at all.

Are you putting on any classes soon?? I'm absolutely in DIRE need of training from an expert shooter such as yourself! I just figured being such a magnificent shot, you could teach a know nothing shooter such as myself, and anyone else who needs moar training, and if I could shoot at what, just 10% of what you can shoot, I'll be ready to kick ass and take names!!!

 

[HMFIC]

I say that you settle this with a good old fashioned shoot-off.

You can use bullseyes, skunks, railroad ties, pee-cans or all of the above. Winner gets bragging rights and a basket of apples and oranges.

 

[gerhard1]

Yeah, you're right and everyone else, not only on this thread but everywhere else is wrong. The state of Kansas, the state of Oklahoma and King County, Washington are all wrong. But you're right. I guess the times that I qualified with my handguns in those instances don't count because you say so. After all I missed the skunk, and that trumps everthing else that I have ever done, therefore, I should not be allowed to carry.
I don't usually engage in profanity but this case I will.
Horseshit.
I'll repeat my first response to you.
Whatever.

 

[inactive]

Yea gerhard, next time a skunk assails you, just surrender! For everyone's safety!

 

[Comte DeLoach]

Are you putting on any classes soon?? I'm absolutely in DIRE need of training from an expert shooter such as yourself! I just figured being such a magnificent shot, you could teach a know nothing shooter such as myself, and anyone else who needs moar training, and if I could shoot at what, just 10% of what you can shoot, I'll be ready to kick ass and take names!!!

Sorry, dont train people for "moar" shooting, you have to find a specialist for that...

 

[Comte DeLoach]

Yeah, you're right and everyone else, not only on this thread but everywhere else is wrong. The state of Kansas, the state of Oklahoma and King County, Washington are all wrong. But you're right. I guess the times that I qualified with my handguns in those instances don't count because you say so. After all I missed the skunk, and that trumps everthing else that I have ever done, therefore, I should not be allowed to carry.
I don't usually engage in profanity but this case I will.
Horseshit.
I'll repeat my first response to you.
Whatever.

Ok, if your going to do that, turn on the GPS on your phone so if you ever do get into a shootout we will already be far away from you when it occurs...

BTW, the Oklahoma CCW course doesnt really check for accuracy, they are just seeing if you know how to pull the trigger. You know, that little curved thing that makes the firearm go bang....

 

[gerhard1]

Yea gerhard, next time a skunk assails you, just surrender! For everyone's safety!

LOL!!! I like that.

Seriously, one of the reasons that I started this thread was to remind us all to practice with our carry guns. I never objected to the first two posts following mine, as they were reasonably polite, and they both reinforced my belief that I had been out of practice and that I should shoot more.
Okay, I get it. I should shoot more. And I'll include the PI qualification course for Kansas, (a modified PPC, which essentially is a bullseye course) which has both hip shooting and using the sights, including weak-hand only shooting. I qualified four or five five times as a Kansas PI. So, in spite of this gentleman's apparant belief to the contrary, I know my way around handguns.
Again, I get it: I need to practice more.
But one of the things that I'll do as well is what I will call the Waffle House drill. And I dare say that I don't need his permission, either.

 

[RidgeHunter]

Comte DeLoach never missed an animal is his multiple weekends of hunting experience because once he made his presence known, they simply laid down and allowed him to walk right up and dispatch them. If you run from ComteLoach you'll only die tired, handfuls of squirrels and deer were aware of this.

Comte DeLoach didn't go hunting, he went killing.

The man has multiple weekends of experience, something I'm sure nobody here can touch. You best learn from him while you can.

Sorry, dont train people for "moar" shooting, you have to find a specialist for that...

But he does give "advise" (verb) on hunting "whitetail dear".

Yeah, I am a tad skeptical of this gentleman's claim that he never misses as well.

I don't doubt that he has never missed in all the opening days of rifle season he has spent in the field.

 

[870WingBlaster]

I just figured out who Comte DeLoach is...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcw6xBaCaXM&feature=related