No offense taken Andy and I don't mean to offend those who love Obama either... I'm just asking the question if everyone is happy now that he's been re-elected. It seems to me that there were a bunch of the same people who were saying that Romney is the same as Obama who also said that we'd NEVER have an attack on the 2A from Obama...
No matter what view I want to take, I can pull a ga-zillion internet reports, studies, clips, etc... that support my position so what's the point really.
My only real point to this thread is that from my perspective, just in the time since the election, things have gotten SIGNIFICANTLY worse with nothing but more worse on the horizon. The bullet points in my original post are pretty much just the fact of what our current status is, not some debatable political issue...
How do y'all like him now?
No matter what view I want to take, I can pull a ga-zillion internet reports, studies, clips, etc... that support my position so what's the point really.
My only real point to this thread is that from my perspective, just in the time since the election, things have gotten SIGNIFICANTLY worse with nothing but more worse on the horizon. The bullet points in my original post are pretty much just the fact of what our current status is, not some debatable political issue...
How do y'all like him now?
Romney served as the governor of the most liberal state in the union and still got things done. Barry Sorterro served as a US senator where he either voted "present" or did not vote at all.
He was an unknown quantity to all those who voted for him based solely of his oratory skills and personality. He then bought the low information voters with bribes to get reelected. The media should be put on trial for treason IMO.
He was an unknown quantity to all those who voted for him based solely of his oratory skills and personality. He then bought the low information voters with bribes to get reelected. The media should be put on trial for treason IMO.
I completely understand your frustration man - and I'm right there with you, but don't let it jade you to the fact that the Republican party drove voters away by moving away from what their party stands for - the voters didn't betray the party.
I don't know anyone on this board who loves Obama (and disdain for Romney does not equal love for Obama), but I don't remember anyone who said Romney was the same as Obama saying that neither would attack the 2nd - I believe we all knew that no matter who was in office at the time, they'd still screw us.
At the end of the day, I still stand on the opinion that Romney and Obama are the same person - and I have equal amounts of disdain for both. Either would readily screw us and while I'm a Libertarian at heart, I don't know that Ron Paul was the best choice, but he represented well more of what I believed in than either of these two clowns (same with Gary Johnson).
The folks who felt betrayed by Romney being our only candidate aren't at fault for Barry's win - at the end of the day the republican party is at fault for putting a clone up in the hopes of dragging some of the liberal vote over our way. The Dems were well more organized this round and did play every card they could and as dirty as they knew how to. We will suffer for it as a result, but speculating on what would have been accomplishes nothing.
I only hope the Republican party realizes how weak their grip on things was and they go back to the drawing board and come back with a candidate that actually represents their party and the people of this country.
I still predict that all those swing-voting-Democrats are realizing they got caught up in the hype and now that it's affecting their paycheck (and I truly believe that voter apathy is so severe in this country that hitting the ole pocketbook is the only way to piss voters off), they will swing back hard.
I honestly wonder what things are going to be like with a nearly all-Republican president/cabinet and congress. That's my prediction.
Romney did get things done - have you actually looked at his track-record in MA? He signed an AWB among other liberal endorsements/signatures. Sure he represented the state's rights, but just because Federal rights come second to State's rights... that doesn't mean that State's rights should trample individual rights (they come first and foremost).
Outside of those identical stances on issues, Romney is just as unknown as Barry was as he had less political experience (Barry had 2 terms as a state senator where he actually has a voting record to identify where he stands - even if it proves he was a wishy-washy liberal).
I've got no love for Obama - and I spend a great deal of time debating with Democrats about how F@#$ed up their party/president is at the moment, but that doesn't jade my view on how F@#$ed up the Republicans are either.
To lose site of that would be just as dangerous.
I figure we'd still be seeing these if we were 1 month into Romney's term:
Perhaps not these:
though I bet Congress would have the same tax result regardless of the executive. For the majority, it's not the "income tax" that changed though, it was the other federal taxes (SS/medicare). But that's a pointless splitting of hairs I admit. My check is still smaller.
Perhaps not these:
though I bet Congress would have the same tax result regardless of the executive. For the majority, it's not the "income tax" that changed though, it was the other federal taxes (SS/medicare). But that's a pointless splitting of hairs I admit. My check is still smaller.
To add to the issue of Obama's lack of character, I'll add this. When he was in the Illinois legislature, he supported (and perhaps even voted for) a bill that would have allowed a baby that SURVIVED an abortion to still be allowed to die with absolutely NO medical procedures to save its life. So, he supported even the death of the living child along with fully supporting abortion itself.
His unrelenting history of lies should indicate a lack of character.
His ongoing attempts to blame the Republicans for just about everything, including the very things he himself has proposed indicates a lack of character. Otherwise, he would stand up for his own failures instead of blaming everyone else.
His unrelenting history of lies should indicate a lack of character.
His ongoing attempts to blame the Republicans for just about everything, including the very things he himself has proposed indicates a lack of character. Otherwise, he would stand up for his own failures instead of blaming everyone else.
I actually think that if Romney would have been elected, we'd have seen the whole world react differently and we'd already be seeing the results.... just my opinion though.
The country's ruin is it's citizens. Our country is filled with people that fear real freedom. Freedom comes with the task of being responsible for yourself. Too many Americans enjoy the security blankets offered by big government, and fear the responsibility and risk guaranteed by freedom. The citizen's have voted for exactly what they want and will get what they deserve. Obama vs Romney? I think one gets us to the end a little faster, but neither corrects the direction we are ultimately traveling. To do so would upset the dependent class. Ultimately... Sloth, Envy, and Ignorance were well represented on election day. That guaranteed a second term.
For starters he's a liar. Reduce the deficit by half. Really. How about he's going to have the most transparent administration ever. Really? Feel free to refute either. Good LUCK!
Hell, I never liked Obama before.
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