Poverty AR Battle Royale

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Its a good watch , and I think a solid rebuttal to anyone who will make the argument cheap tier AR rifles are just as good. I do know from my own experience of the two Anderson lowers I purchased for beater guns they were out of spec at the take down pin holes. School of the American rifle did an examination of an Anderson and found it out of spec in the selector hole, so at this point, I am not inclined to believe they're just as good . The video you will watch here are 100% factory builds so you can't say he did a bad job assembling these guns. If I purchased a rifle which produced 3 MOA out of the box I would be a bit miffed.

 
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Mil spec accuracy for M193 is about 2 MOA or less. It's reasonable to get 3 inch groups if you are shooting a 2 MOA gun with 2 MOA ammo. As for the 77 gr rounds, most 16" barrels with 1/9 twist aren't going to shoot that round very well IMO. I did like the video, thanks for posting.
 

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Where you run into problems on non-milspec guns is overgassing leading to premature extractor and bolt lug failure, and undergassed short stroking, and also those parts themselves not made to spec to start with. The specified steels, heat treat, gas port specs, and pressure test/magnafluxing was done for a reason for the military, to help with failures.
 
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I spend money on good barrels, the rest of tye parts don’t matter much to me

I agree a good quality barrel which has been properly head spaced and a very high quality bolt carrier go a long way to building a reliable and accurate AR. The problem with other things being out of spec is that you can end up with a loose fit or an overly tight fit and that can be problematic. That is the issue I ran into my Andersons along the FCG pin holes when gauged were a hair large as well. Does it keep you from using the lower ? No but its not in spec either and can be problematic for a build.

The reason I insist on mil spec is because of the consistency and because it establishes a standard and you have a known life expectancy that comes along with that standard . Its not because mil spec is better , there are folks who do produce higher quality and parts with better tolerances if you're willing to pay for them .

Ultimately It really depends on what you want , I have one rifle with a Douglas barrel and it shoots fantastically. I am probably half way through the life of that particular tube as I have 3000 rounds through it but it still shoots sub moa even though the groups have opened up a little from where they started. I had a Shaw barrel before that which went from sub moa to over MOA with the exact same ammo in those same 3000 rounds . I have a FN upper with a cold hammer forged barrel that started out shooting slightly larger than MOA and 5000 rounds later it is still shooting the same groups. Turns out that cold hammer forging , consistent chrome lining and everything else being in spec is a thing.

Like I said its all about what you want and need .
 

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Years ago Anderson earned their bad reputation, but for the last 10 years I feel like they are back up and running along either the other milspec builders, none are perfect but I’ve built at last 5 Anderson lower for friends and family and none exhibited the issues of their old reputation,

Years ago I built the cheapest ar15 I could for 3 gun, that thing took everything I threw at it and was cleaned very scarcely. Usually just sprayed it with carb cleaner, for it’s intended purpose it was a trooper,

On the other hand I have assembled a few for more precision needs at distance and I stand behind my belief that the barrel is where I spend my money, then assemble it properly,
 

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i feel like the arguments really go nowhere anymore these days. Are more expensive ARs better in quality, fit and finish? Absolutely. And i found it funny he complained about rust on the gas block. They have to cut corners somewhere to make them cheap. Besides, stuff like that (not rust, but just general quirks) builds knowledge in the shooter. Cheap ARs are good to get people into firearms who otherwise wouldnt shoot. My neighbor wants one, but cant afford an expensive one. I keep telling him this is the golden age of ARs right now. They will probably never be any cheaper than they are now.

And im not downplaying Woodcrafts point or the video posted. Theyre valid points and it was a good video. I like that he pointed out the pros to the builds. And i liked that he talked about the companies histories.
 
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One thing I find interesting about DTI is several years ago they actually used to offer 1/7 twist barrels because I have a medium contour mid gas barrel sold by them. At least in years past their barrels were made by Mossberg. I can't speak for who they get their barrels from now but that rifle still shoots fairly respectably with 6000 rounds down the tube .. New it was MOAish and its still less than 2 inches hovering around 1.5 inches but mind you it wasn't a Delton build upper and I tend to lean towards using really high quality bolt carrier groups . The BCG does matter in your builds as much as many people tend to not think so for some reason.
 


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