She signed it, fellas

[kinggabby]

Better idea, maybe several hundred of us should visit that area and see how well that works for them??

I'd drive the 2 hours to participate, just to piss them off!!

I think that would be interesting . I am sure they would stop soon if they had hundreds to check .

 

[sanjuro893]

Better idea, maybe several hundred of us should visit that area and see how well that works for them??

I'd drive the 2 hours to participate, just to piss them off!!

I'm not out to piss anybody off. I just think it's a serious waste of public resources and police manpower to literally stop EVERYBODY you see that's more than likely lawfully carrying a gun just so you can get the one occasional bust of an actual bona-fide criminal. If I open carry, I'll look into getting one of those ID holders that clip on the belt.

 

[Buzzgun]

“When public safety comes up, that is No. 1,” Porter said. “If we see someone carrying a weapon in a holster, they have to have a permit on them and would be asked to show it. Anybody with a weapon on their side is considered a suspicious person.”

I'm thinking Asst. Chief Porter might want to prepare for lawsuits if he continues on that path!

Since when does doing something that is perfectly legal justify police attention as a "suspicious person"??

Can you say harassment?? I knew you could!!

 

[kinggabby]

I'm not out to piss anybody off. I just think it's a serious waste of public resources and police manpower to literally stop EVERYBODY you see that's more than likely lawfully carrying a gun just so you can get the one occasional bust of an actual bona-fide criminal. If I open carry, I'll look into getting one of those ID holders that clip on the belt.

I could not carry a one like that. I would lose mine . But I don't have a problem showing my permit . I keep it right behind my driver license so I can gab both at the same time.

 

[B96brig4CC]

Dont be Diss'n on my "Energy Rings"!!!

Most of the public when they hear open carry envision pearl handled six guns in fine leather tooled holsters or semi autos in shoulder rigs. When they see someone with a gun not in one of those, like a black (evil) glock in an IWB appendix holster or some other rig thats where the hysteria will come in. It will blow over as they become more accostomed to seeing open carry. But frankly I still see a few tense encounters between Leo's and oc'ers until it becomes more "normal".
We've been talking about how to approach people in those cases without offending or seeming to cautious.... Suggestions would be appricated(maybe a new thread is needed) I can always tell when I stop someone on traffic that hangs around here or other responsible sites vs those who just started or are just winging it. My favorite was the guy who had half his body out the window, hands in the air and yelled "I have a gun!!" as I approached. We talked about better ways to notify in the future. And I think he joined up here..

Thank you for doing your part to make this transition.

I think saying something along the lines of, "excuse me sir/ma'am, could I please see your carry permit? You have done nothing wrong, however this is a lisenced carry state and I need to verify that you have the appropriate identification."

I have watched a youtube video(all voices, no recorded video) of a guy refusing to show identification for his open carry. Kept asking if he had done anything wrong, officer polite replied, "I don't know until I see your lisence." Kid would say, "if you don't know then you have no right to detain me and I'll be on my way, am I free to go?" This goes on and on and they then detain him for failure to cooperate. All it takes it's a polite, "yes officer, here is my lisence."

Why do some feel they have to go all Lawyer and I know my rights. If you are doing nothing wrong, you should have no problem proving you are doing nothing wrong.

Now, once you have proven your legal and the officer proceeds to bother you, take a name, polite excuse yourself from the converstaion and notify his/her supervisor. No need to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[B96brig4CC]

I'm thinking Asst. Chief Porter might want to prepare for lawsuits if he continues on that path!

Since when does doing something that is perfectly legal justify police attention as a "suspicious person"??

Can you say harassment?? I knew you could!!

Until they know for a fact that what YOU are doing is perfectly legal(proving it with your permit) why should they think anything else? There may be those that decide to try and carry that are not doing so legally. Maybe my view is different than yours, but then again I don't agree with constitutional carry personally. I am more than happy to provide identification to any officer that asks if I make the decision to OC. I look at it as part of the deal right now. I decide to OC, I decide I am willing to be confronted multiple times throughout that day to verify I am doing so legally.

 

[Dave70968]

Why do some feel they have to go all Lawyer and I know my rights. If you are doing nothing wrong, you should have no problem proving you are doing nothing wrong.

The trouble is that it's a slippery slope. At what point is "proving you are doing nothing wrong" too intrusive? A driver's license checkpoint to prove you have a license? A checkpoint that includes a search?

I'm not being flippant; I really do wonder where you would draw the line to say "being forced to prove your innocence is fine in this situation," and "being forced to prove your innocence is not okay in this situation."

 

[Buzzgun]

Did you read the quote?? Apparently, the Midwest City Asst. Chief of Police believes anyone and everyone who choses to carry openly is a "suspicious person"and needs to be checked.

Is it the policy of Midwest City PD to stop EVERY vehicle to see if the driver is drunk??

Public officials who behave this way need to be taught a lesson, and, since it is illegal to tar and feather them, the courts are the next best venue.

 

[SMS]

Until they know for a fact that what YOU are doing is perfectly legal(proving it with your permit) why should they think anything else? There may be those that decide to try and carry that are not doing so legally. Maybe my view is different than yours, but then again I don't agree with constitutional carry personally. I am more than happy to provide identification to any officer that asks if I make the decision to OC. I look at it as part of the deal right now. I decide to OC, I decide I am willing to be confronted multiple times throughout that day to verify I am doing so legally.

Are you equally willing to be pulled over in your car multiple times a day so the MWC Assistant Police Chief can verify that you have a driver's license and insurance?

For the purposes of discussion: Once this law comes into effect why should licensed open carry be treated any different than licensed operation of a motor vehicle, in terms of verification and enforcement?

No LEO is going to get any grief from me if he asks for my permit, but hopefully we will eventually reach a comfort level where our LEOs won't have to execute a contact every time they see someone with a holstered pistol.

 

[rda1911]

I hope this means we can stop selling these tiny guns