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Hobbes

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A Troll Statue is another impending possibility


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Why does the monument insult you?

doesn't have to be 'insulting' to someone for them to see why it doesn't belong. They could just be fans of the separation of church and state, or perhaps view it as a waste of tax payer money. Or even view it as a violation of the state constitution, which is it.

Any of those non-religious reasons for wanting it gone.
 

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Okay, so salvation is essentially a reward and grace has nothing to do with it. I've heard that a lot. Not many preach it though.

Oh yes, grace is completely relevant and we'd have no salvation without it. However, based on the teachings of ALL of the Bible, specifically the New Testament, God does want us to live and worship him as He would wish, not what we would wish.


The bible also says he's omnipresent. Can it be both?

But we really should take this discussion elsewhere...

Yes, but I'll have to omit putting scriptural references here until another time.


Gotta love the stories they tell to scare the weak minded.

Weak minded? I suppose that you believe science but not religious beliefs. Perhaps you should read some of the books by Lee Strobel. He was an athiest and began to research the science aspect after his wife converted to Christianity. He interviewed scientists for some of his books and even they were able to show that science almost proved God's existence. Lee Strobel believed enough of what he learned from the scientists to become a Christian himself. Other scientists who actually aren't Christians at least believe that evolution and other "natural" creationists haven't been proven.



This is the kind of arrogance that turns me off from christianity.

FWIW, I don't care to engage in a christian forum, nor will I. I'm not looking for the opposing science forum that proves the bible is fiction either.


IT would be nice to have a forum where we can say what we want without getting banned, so long as it's legal.

Regarding the above in bold letters, that wasn't written with arrogance but sarcasm. I guess you missed that. But hey, this forum thread keeps expanding in the number of pages within it, so maybe I spoke a grain of truth.

Afterthought question: Do you think that I am weak-minded?
 

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Weak minded? I suppose that you believe science but not religious beliefs. Perhaps you should read some of the books by Lee Strobel. He was an athiest and began to research the science aspect after his wife converted to Christianity. He interviewed scientists for some of his books and even they were able to show that science almost proved God's existence. Lee Strobel believed enough of what he learned from the scientists to become a Christian himself. Other scientists who actually aren't Christians at least believe that evolution and other "natural" creationists haven't been proven.

Afterthought question: Do you think that I am weak-minded?

Haha..... Strobel? Sorry my friend, my background in science is strong enough to compromise a belief in anything that man writes. FWIW, evolutionary phenomenon is fact if one is educated in sciences they find evidence on several levels, namely on several genetic levels. However, the progression of ape to man that so many creationists present is not the definition of evolution.
 

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