The Welfare Myth

[LightningCrash]

Just to fuel the fire. If we did not have taxes, would our military exist?
Would we have the interstate highways exist, would we not have a lot of things?

Taxes are necessary for the United States to exist. Without them we would be a 3rd world country, or worse.

I don't like them anymore than anybody else, and want to keep them at a minimum, but I do acknowledge we have to have them.

No nation can operate without taxation.

This is all the more reason to ensure that you only use that force when absolutely necessary.

Just don't tax a man and say you're "helping someone in need."

 

[-Pjackso]

The thread was: Welfare - how bad is it?
Per the facts. ...Not per the hype/opinion/or emotion of the day.


This website states that only 4.1% of people are on welfare. (food-stamps and unemployment are separate)
Here: http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

That's pretty low.
Only 4 people. ...out of 100 people.
...NOT 47 people (47%) - just 4.


The system is working like it should. Most are using it as a safety net.
Yes, there are some abusers of welfare. That's a failure of the oversight of the system - not a failure of the system.
And at worst - the 'abusers' are still less than *4* people per 100. (much less than 4% - my opinion).



Are we really splitting hairs over 4% of the population?
If this is a huge problem - please provide some data and facts.

It is easiest to stand in judgement when not faced with those issues directly.
...I also have lived long enough to see that sometimes things are not as black and white as some try to paint it.

Nicely said.

 

[LightningCrash]

Welfare is only 131B per year
Spread that out over the work force, 155.6M and that's only like $841 per person.

 

[dennishoddy]

I need $841 to buy a shotgun in the classifieds.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

All taxation has always been at the point of a sword. Always.

Read this, let's talk:
Not yours to give

Excellent read, and a story I've shared with many over the years... But there is a vast difference of topics within. I was absolutely floored when Governor Fallin, (a strong candidate that continually throws a congress/administration under the bus for over/needless spending) asked for financial assistance for those who lost homes in the wildfires... Primarily, those who had been foolish enough to not carry such insurance. Money not (only) to be used for immediate aid/clothing/food/necessities... but as a state ipso-facto insurance and replacement claim for those fools to rebuild. While she didnt receive all she asked for, money was sent, and I will condemn those actions as a political travesty (I call shenanigans), and I will give no ear for her now empty words of constitutional progression.

Those actions are a far cry from feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, and having compassion for a fellow human being.

 

[dennishoddy]

Excellent read, and a story I've shared with many over the years... But there is a vast difference of topics within. I was absolutely floored when Governor Fallin, (a strong candidate that continually throws a congress/administration under the bus for over/needless spending) asked for financial assistance for those who lost homes in the wildfires... Primarily, those who had been foolish enough to not carry such insurance. Money not (only) to be used for immediate aid/clothing/food/necessities... but as a state ipso-facto insurance and replacement claim for those fools to rebuild. While she didnt receive all she asked for, money was sent, and I will condemn those actions as a political travesty (I call shenanigans), and I will give no ear for her now empty words of constitutional progression.

Those actions are a far cry from feeding the hungry, clothing the needy, and having compassion for a fellow human being.

Sadly to say, some people cannot afford insurance. They have to live day to day. Those that can, are fortunate.
That fire was in an area where folks could not afford the cost of insurance on their property, they suffered the consequenses. It would suck to be them.

 

[TwoForFlinching]

Sadly to say, some people cannot afford insurance. They have to live day to day. Those that can, are fortunate.
That fire was in an area where folks could not afford the cost of insurance on their property, they suffered the consequenses. It would suck to be them.

I agree, as we both know country living is insurance expensive, in my case almost uninsurable due to firehouse being so far away... And the insurance agency refusing to accept our volunteer dept as a serious firefighting credential. Like I said, money was asked for replacement, not emergency necessities.

 

[dennishoddy]

I agree, as we both know country living is insurance expensive, in my case almost uninsurable due to firehouse being so far away... And the insurance agency refusing to accept our volunteer dept as a serious firefighting credential. Like I said, money was asked for replacement, not emergency necessities.

Your firehouse must be the same as mine. They refuse to certify their pumps that would result in a lower insurance policy for me.

 

[Soothsayer]

Defense is Constitutional. Welfare ain't. There's the difference.

U.S. Constitution Article I Section 8

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

Seems like welfare and defense is in the Constitution.

 

[mugsy]

Gillman,

The Church isn't abdicating responsibility but rather, in many cases, is being forced out by a government that will tolerate no rivals. Mass. is a good example where Catholic Charities basically had to close up all of its adoption services because the State insisted that they had to directly place orphans with gay couple - referring those people to the State agencies was not considered good enough.