The Welfare Myth

[HMFIC]

U.S. Constitution Article I Section 8

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

Seems like welfare and defense is in the Constitution.

It certainly doesn't mean Welfare in the direct way in which it's being referred to in this thread...

The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. The U.S. Supreme Court has held the mention of the clause in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution "has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments."

Read this...

http://constitutionmythbuster.com/2011/05/09/what-does-the-general-welfare-clause-really-mean/

 

[tntrex]

But don't let me F@#$ this whole thread up with facts...

Here's a fact.
Welfare isn't the only issue that makes a state blue or red.

 

[cjjtulsa]

Just to fuel the fire. If we did not have taxes, would our military exist?
Would we have the interstate highways exist, would we not have a lot of things?

Ask Ronald Reagan's Grace Commission about their 1984 report:

The report said that one-third of all income taxes are consumed by waste and inefficiency in the federal government, and another one-third escapes collection owing to the underground economy. “With two thirds of everyone’s personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services [that] taxpayers expect from their government."

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Yeah, let's let kids starve because the parents are f*ckwads. Brilliant!

The food stamps programs have a lot of abuse where recipients are trading food funds for booze, cigarettes, sex, & drugs, but how do we solve that problem? Remove hungry kids from the homes of these parents? Do we set up soup kitchens on every corner so that kids don't go hungry? Do we hand out food stuffs rather than money?

 

[1shott]

Yeah, let's let kids starve because the parents are f*ckwads. Brilliant!

The food stamps programs have a lot of abuse where recipients are trading food funds for booze, cigarettes, sex, & drugs, but how do we solve that problem? Remove hungry kids from the homes of these parents? Do we set up soup kitchens on every corner so that kids don't go hungry? Do we hand out food stuffs rather than money?

The part in bold is what I believe to be the answer. One location for food distribution, and they dont get a choice as to what they get. They get the basics, flour, sugar, beans, rice etc. Give them recipie guides as well on how to plan, prepare and cook meals.

 

[LightningCrash]

Yeah, let's let kids starve because the parents are f*ckwads. Brilliant!

Has anyone in this thread advocated that?

 

[SMS]

The part in bold is what I believe to be the answer. One location for food distribution, and they dont get a choice as to what they get. They get the basics, flour, sugar, beans, rice etc. Give them recipie guides as well on how to plan, prepare and cook meals.

Yes....along with a work assignment for the week. Bring said work assignment sheet back next week, signed and completed, or your ration is reduced.

Nobody is saying kids should starve, but their parents don't need to be buying Coke-a-cola, potato chips and candy on the taxpayers dime either.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Has anyone in this thread advocated that?

Yes they have.

 

[LightningCrash]

Yes they have.

Who, other than yourself?

 

[WTJ]

U.S. Constitution Article I Section 8

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;"

Seems like welfare and defense is in the Constitution.

Wow, I did not see that old liberal standby coming. I guess that must be why there was NO food stamps until FDR. Ol' G. Washington was not passing out Food Stamps.