Those of you with bump stocks, what will you do?

[cjjtulsa]

Option 3: Have some newly disturbed dirt on your land where a hole may (or may not) been recently dug.

You don't think someone will come looking for the agent? Oh - the STOCK! I gotcha.

 

[Glocktogo]

Option 3: Have some newly disturbed dirt on your land where a hole may (or may not) been recently dug.

Word on the street is that BATFE has already drafted a RFP to issue all agents their own portable GPR's.

 

[ef9turbo]

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Hey wait! Has anyone seen a notice of proposed rule making from the ATF or DOJ? I haven't.

Woody

 

[Glocktogo]

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/lawsuit-challenging-trump-bump-stock-ban

WASHINGTON, D.C. (December 18, 2018) — Today, attorneys for an owner of a “bump-stock” device and three constitutional rights advocacy organizations filed a federal lawsuit against the Trump Administration’s new confiscatory ban on firearm parts, additionally challenging Matthew Whitaker’s legal authority to serve as Acting Attorney General and issue rules without being nominated to the role and confirmed by the Senate or by operation of law. A copy of the court filings can be viewed at www.bumpstockcase.com.

The plaintiffs also filed a motion seeking a temporary injunction to prevent the Trump Administration from implementing and enforcing the new regulation. The lawsuit, captioned as Guedes, et al. v. BATFE, et al., is backed by Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), Firearms Policy Foundation (FPF), and Madison Society Foundation (MSF), also institutional plaintiffs in the case.

 

[Glocktogo]

Hey wait! Has anyone seen a notice of proposed rule making from the ATF or DOJ? I haven't.

Woody

It's not a new rule, it's an interpretation of an existing rule/law. Or a re-imagining if you will...

 

[Shadowrider]

From GTG's link in post #25.

In a January statement, Firearms Policy Coalition said that the federal “DOJ and BATFE clearly lack the statutory authority to re-define the targeted devices as ‘machineguns.’” Following that, in February, FPC also commented that as they “opposed the lawless manner in which President Obama often ruled by ‘pen-and-a-phone’ executive fiat,” they objected to and would fight “President Trump’s outrageous lawlessness here.”

“The ATF has misled the public about bump-stock devices,” Prince said. “Worse, they are actively attempting to make felons out of people who relied on their legal opinions to lawfully acquire and possess devices the government unilaterally, unconstitutionally, and improperly decided to reclassify as ‘machineguns’. We are optimistic that the court will act swiftly to protect the rights and property of Americans who own these devices, and once the matter has been fully briefed and considered by the court, that the regulation will be struck down permanently.”

I can't help but wonder if Trump wants this to go down in flames once in court.

 

[steelfingers]

Word on the street is that BATFE has already drafted a RFP to issue all agents their own portable GPR's.

Not without a warrant and a hazmat license. (hazmat is just to confuse them)

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

It's not a new rule, it's an interpretation of an existing rule/law. Or a re-imagining if you will...

Ex post facto as well.

Hmm - I wonder who will go to the court and support their need to seize with an oath or affirmation in an attempt to obtain all the warrants to seize all that private property, and what will they use as probable cause as their justification to search whomever's place with whatever particular (meaning specific) description describing the thing to be seized? Can you even imagine the warrant(s) that would be needed to obtain the information from manufacturers, distributors, and retailers of whomever owns a bump stock in the first place?

How can the government mandate that you destroy a piece of your property? Looks like the mandate that you buy something(healthcare, social security) has grown wings.

How can they seize a piece of your property without just compensation and what would be the public use? Does the Military need those things? Will they be used to pave the streets?

Wouldn't volunteering the fact that you own a bump stock after the cutoff date be self incrimination?

Woody

 

[ignerntbend]

From GTG's link in post #25.



I can't help but wonder if Trump wants this to go down in flames once in court.

You're of the "he often says and sometimes does the opposite of what he means to say and do" school.
He does this sort of thing to drive the liberals crazy. People in the know aren't really worried.