Those of you with bump stocks, what will you do?

[Glocktogo]

Ex post facto as well.

Hmm - I wonder who will go to the court and support their need to seize with an oath or affirmation in an attempt to obtain all the warrants to seize all that private property, and what will they use as probable cause as their justification to search whomever's place with whatever particular (meaning specific) description describing the thing to be seized? Can you even imagine the warrant(s) that would be needed to obtain the information from manufacturers, distributors, and retailers of whomever owns a bump stock in the first place?

How can the government mandate that you destroy a piece of your property? Looks like the mandate that you buy something(healthcare, social security) has grown wings.

How can they seize a piece of your property without just compensation and what would be the public use? Does the Military need those things? Will they be used to pave the streets?

Wouldn't volunteering the fact that you own a bump stock after the cutoff date be self incrimination?

Woody

Want your mind really blown? For the next 93 days, DoJ has explicitly said that you may possess an unregistered machinegun

 

[steelfingers]

I bump test my guns when I adjust the trigger pull. Am I in violation?

 

[Shadowrider]

I bump test my guns when I adjust the trigger pull. Am I in violation?

Yes. You must turn yourself in to the ATF or destroy yourself.

 

[steelfingers]

Yes. You must turn yourself in to the ATF or destroy yourself.

I took care of that last part in the 70's so I guess I'm good to go.

 

[Shadowrider]

I took care of that last part in the 70's so I guess I'm good to go.

We must be about the same age! lol

 

[dennishoddy]

Want your mind really blown? For the next 93 days, DoJ has explicitly said that you may possess an unregistered machinegun

Need more info.....because of the lawsuit and the reclassification of bump stocks to machine guns?

 

[Glocktogo]

Need more info.....because of the lawsuit and the reclassification of bump stocks to machine guns?

Acting AG Whitaker just decreed that bump stocks are “machineguns”. Since all bump stocks are Post May, that means they’re unregistered machineguns. Possession of an unregistered machinegun is a federal crime under the NFA Act and has been since 1934. The penalty is 10 years in prison and a $250K fine. Yet AAG Whitaker just signed a document saying you can possess them with no jeopardy for the next 90 days.

What I’m saying is that if you accept DoJ’s position that bump stocks are illegal under the NFA Act, then our acting AG just said it’s OK to possess an unregistered machinegun for three months. Let that sink in and contemplate the ramifications.

 

[dennishoddy]

Acting AG Whitaker just decreed that bump stocks are “machineguns”. Since all bump stocks are Post May, that means they’re unregistered machineguns. Possession of an unregistered machinegun is a federal crime under the NFA Act and has been since 1934. The penalty is 10 years in prison and a $250K fine. Yet AAG Whitaker just signed a document saying you can possess them with no jeopardy for the next 90 days.

What I’m saying is that if you accept DoJ’s position that bump stocks are illegal under the NFA Act, then our acting AG just said it’s OK to possess an unregistered machinegun for three months. Let that sink in and contemplate the ramifications.

That's what I thought you might say. It's an interesting position they took. Don't think I want to test it though! lol.

 

[Dave70968]

Word on the street is that BATFE has already drafted a RFP to issue all agents their own portable GPR's.

Those of us who play with radio know that a good ground plane is important for best performance out of an antenna. One of the best ways to improve your ground plane is to have more metal in the ground connected to your ground rod--it's a simple matter of surface area. Burying radial wires is good; putting lots more metal (like sheet or mesh) is even better. A trip to your friendly scrap dealer is a great way to augment your antenna system.

Hey wait! Has anyone seen a notice of proposed rule making from the ATF or DOJ? I haven't.

It's not a new rule, it's an interpretation of an existing rule/law. Or a re-imagining if you will...

Yup. That.

Ex post facto as well.

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How can they seize a piece of your property without just compensation and what would be the public use? Does the Military need those things? Will they be used to pave the streets?

Wouldn't volunteering the fact that you own a bump stock after the cutoff date be self incrimination?

1) It's not an ex post facto law. That's a common misunderstanding. Ex post facto means declaring it illegal retroactively--passing a law today to say it was illegal to possess it yesterday. This isn't doing that; this is passing a law (or interpretation) today that makes it illegal to possess tomorrow (well, in 90 days). No retroactive effect, no ex post facto violation.

2) This isn't a "takings" issue under the Fifth Amendment. That refers to "taking for public use," as you note--this is simply declaring it contraband, and offering a means of compliance (get rid of it by giving it to us).

3) Yes, volunteering that you are committing a felony is a bad idea. In general, volunteering anything to the police, feds, etc. is a bad idea. There's no constitutional violation if you volunteer it, though; the Fifth Amendment only forbids .gov to "compel" someone to be a witness against himself.

 

[steelfingers]

Good thing I got a pump stock.