Timothy Harper arrested..... finally! Idiot.

[dennishoddy]

Probably not as Tinker would not want a convicted felon on the base.

Why not? If you have served your punishment as meted out by the state, why couldn't one retain their job anywhere?
I know a couple of folks that are relatives working in the economy right now years after committing a non violent felony, serving their time and learning their lesson which is what prison is supposed to do.
I acknowledge it's tough getting out of the "system", but some have done it and went on to raise families, leading good lives.
Very few want to go back to prison but they do because society won't let them back in so they are required to revert back to their past antics to just stay alive.
It's a bad situation.
Yes, we could all get on our podiums and say they shouldn't have committed those offenses originally to get into the system, but we all know in the back of our minds that most of us could have been there and got lucky back in the young and dumb days.

 

[SoonerP226]

Why not? If you have served your punishment as meted out by the state, why couldn't one retain their job anywhere?

I'm pretty sure you need a security clearance to work at Tinker; all the job postings I saw for jobs at Tinker required at least a basic clearance. Heck, I was looking at a job working for a USPS contractor, and they required a "Public Trust" clearance.

I'm not an expert, but I can't imagine that a felony conviction would do that clearance any good...

 

[dennishoddy]

I'm pretty sure you need a security clearance to work at Tinker; all the job postings I saw for jobs at Tinker required at least a basic clearance. Heck, I was looking at a job working for a USPS contractor, and they required a "Public Trust" clearance.

I'm not an expert, but I can't imagine that a felony conviction would do that clearance any good...

Why not for a nonviolent offender that has served their punishment?

I do understand the rules of a security clearance. I've had one and gone through multiple training sessions about how a foreign governments can get you on the hook like all with security clearances have to do.
Once all your non violent bad issues are behind you that hook no longer gets set unless one creates new ones.
It's no different than some guy that works for Tinker selling drugs on the side that hasn't been caught yet that could be put on the hook and reeled in.
I'm all in favor of restoring the right to vote and own firearms once you have served your time for nonviolent offenses.
You have paid your debt to society, and you deserve the right to return to said society with full rights.

 

[Tanis143]

Why not? If you have served your punishment as meted out by the state, why couldn't one retain their job anywhere?
I know a couple of folks that are relatives working in the economy right now years after committing a non violent felony, serving their time and learning their lesson which is what prison is supposed to do.
I acknowledge it's tough getting out of the "system", but some have done it and went on to raise families, leading good lives.
Very few want to go back to prison but they do because society won't let them back in so they are required to revert back to their past antics to just stay alive.
It's a bad situation.
Yes, we could all get on our podiums and say they shouldn't have committed those offenses originally to get into the system, but we all know in the back of our minds that most of us could have been there and got lucky back in the young and dumb days.

Not saying I disagree with you, but government installations seem to be a bit picky on that. For my job that won't accept anyone with a felony conviction, violent or non-violent, since we have access to customer information, are in customer's homes around their possessions, etc. I can't see the government being any less picky about who they let on the base and around their systems.

 

[SoonerP226]

Why not for a nonviolent offender that has served their punishment?

I'm not addressing the philosophical or ethical why, just the mechanical why. Maybe he should be able to go back to work, but if he loses that clearance, he will, most likely, not be able to do so.

For the record, I agree that a conviction should not be a mark of Cain, but, as my dad used to tell me, wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which fills up first. It may be a flawed system, but it's the one we currently have.

 

[dennishoddy]

I'm not addressing the philosophical or ethical why, just the mechanical why. Maybe he should be able to go back to work, but if he loses that clearance, he will, most likely, not be able to do so.

For the record, I agree that a conviction should not be a mark of Cain, but, as my dad used to tell me, wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which fills up first. It may be a flawed system, but it's the one we currently have.

I think we are in the path of non violent offenders getting their rights back. Oklahoma has a program coming up for consideration in the legislature, and there are Federal initiatives in place to do the same.
This never ending cycle of being in the system of justice to make money off of indigent offenders has to stop.
I see in the newspaper that some folks have their court dates extended over 30 times. Every time there are fees assigned. What happened to the Sixth Amendment. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you.
BTW Trump is being denied this process as we speak, but that is another thread.

 

[Tanis143]

I think we are in the path of non violent offenders getting their rights back. Oklahoma has a program coming up for consideration in the legislature, and there are Federal initiatives in place to do the same.
This never ending cycle of being in the system of justice to make money off of indigent offenders has to stop.
I see in the newspaper that some folks have their court dates extended over 30 times. Every time there are fees assigned. What happened to the Sixth Amendment. The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you.
BTW Trump is being denied this process as we speak, but that is another thread.

There are two simple things we could do to fix that. One, make all correctional systems non-profit. There should not be a for profit system that relies on people being incarcerated, period. This would also eliminate laws passed to pad for-profit prisons. Two, if a court date is rescheduled for any reason, no one gets paid and no additional fees are assessed.

 

[Shakel65]

Not saying I disagree with you, but government installations seem to be a bit picky on that. For my job that won't accept anyone with a felony conviction, violent or non-violent, since we have access to customer information, are in customer's homes around their possessions, etc. I can't see the government being any less picky about who they let on the base and around their systems.

We have felons on base. Even some that were violent offenders. As long as its all broadcast up front during the security clearance they can pass.

 

[akgriffin]

you know i just read alot of the comments but not all on this post. first i don't know the guy, haven't seen any of his videos but if a man was doing nothing wrong then get arrested, i cant wait for some of you so called "2A" people get arrested for doing something within the law. The whining that is going on is nauseating. This is a scare tactic from okc police and DA cause they do not want permit-less carry. all because you do not want to carry a rifle openly does not mean you have a right to force someone else to do as you do. The chicken little screaming on this post is proof we need to kill off most of the population of state, cause the fair weather supporters do more damage than any MDA or Bloomberg supporter can do.

 

[Cowcatcher]

you know i just read alot of the comments but not all on this post. first i don't know the guy, haven't seen any of his videos but if a man was doing nothing wrong then get arrested, i cant wait for some of you so called "2A" people get arrested for doing something within the law. The whining that is going on is nauseating. This is a scare tactic from okc police and DA cause they do not want permit-less carry. all because you do not want to carry a rifle openly does not mean you have a right to force someone else to do as you do. The chicken little screaming on this post is proof we need to kill off most of the population of state, cause the fair weather supporters do more damage than any MDA or Bloomberg supporter can do.

Hmmmmm. No.

So you think "we" need to kill off most of the population?