I have no idea what I'm talking about?
Fine and you have all the answers please enlighten us with your wisdom. And yes I'm bitching, not about getting the roads fixed but doing all of them at the same time.
I have no idea what I'm talking about?
Fine and you have all the answers please enlighten us with your wisdom. And yes I'm bitching, not about getting the roads fixed but doing all of them at the same time.
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Clay
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We design for 30 years. Sometimes we miss the mark.
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Clay
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Read my post, I explained it prety well I think.
I did and you missed what I said in mine.
Here is what I said in mine. "No person in their right mind would have construction on every major road going through Tulsa." To me I was complaining about construction on all the major roads, not about repairing the roads, just all at once.
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Clay
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No I didn't miss your point, I adressed it specifically, you chose to see what you wanted to see in it.
Well it looks like we both have selective eye sight. Enjoy your night.
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Clay
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Our mission statment at ODOT is: To provide a safe, effective and ecinomical transportation network for the people, commerce and communities of Oklahoma.
And thats what we strive to do.
Give us a little slack.
Feedback is welcomed but realize growth is painfull and our state network of roads is growing.
And thats what we strive to do.
Give us a little slack.
Feedback is welcomed but realize growth is painfull and our state network of roads is growing.
Easy for you to say, since it doesn't affect you personally. Last I heard, Tuttle wasn't exactly bumper to bumper traffic. The problem isn't fixing the roads, it's fixing them correctly in a timely fashion, which Oklahoma DOES NOT DO!
Really! I remember when they resurfaced Hwy 169 between 21st St. and 51st St. Within 6 months, they went in and cut huge chunks of it out and patched it back, in what has to be one of the worst efforts I've ever seen on any road surface. Ever since it's been a buckboard express route. Whoever resurfaced 169 between Pine and 56th St. N. did a great job. Whoever has done EVERY other road resurface in Tulsa probably couldn't connect two pieces of chewing gum if they were both in their mouth at the same time! Oklahoma roads are a national joke. Yes, we're known nationwide for our terrible roads.
Add in the planning of a 3 year old with Lego's and it gets even worse. Who in their right mind designs cloverleafs where cars doing 65mph are supposed to exit at 25mph, in the same 180 yards as cars entering at 25mph needing to merge at 65? Seriously? WTF???
Does your mission statement also say anything about abject failure being a goal? We've had one of the mildest winters on record here in Tulsa, and yet our roads are in a condition that could only be described as bloody awful. It seems like every road is under construction simultaneously and everything that's left to drive on is so rough, you risk loosing your suspension every time you drive here. I've learned the bone jarring way where all the major potholes are on my daily drives. I look like Muhammad Ali in the ring, bobbing and weaving to miss as many as possible. Yet I still get to choose between frequent (and expensive) 4 wheel alignments, or accelerated tire wear and reduced fuel economy. Nice.
I really do feel for you as an ODOT employee. Your end product is one step above imports from 3rd world countries and your planning appears to come from Uzbekistan. The projects take so long to finish, the added stress to the detour routes all but assures they'll be a pulverized mess by the time the project is completed. Throw in substandard materials and you've got a surefire recipe for failure. So guess what we'll need? Another road rehabilitation project! It's a self sustaining cycle that so far as I can see, is only designed to perpetuate the projects themselves. Good roads doesn't seem to be a goal at all.
As far as I can tell, we've been patient for far too long. It's time for some major changes to be made in the way we do road business in OK. Striving is not enough. If ODOT isn't to blame, you have two choices. Accept the blame anyway, or get the facts out about why we have terrible roads in OK. A third option would be to actually fix the problem, but we're not holding out much hope on that front.
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Well gtg, I do commute into OKC from Tuttle everyday and I deal with the same situation as you in Tulsa.
Really there are far to many variables to get into on a keybourd but it comes down to funding usually. The problem is we have more road miles than dollars in the transportation fund. Where is the money going? Good question. We at ODOT have little control over the legislators redirecting funds from our budget to others. BUT Mary Fallin IS making a difference there so small changes are coming followed by bigger ones I think.
When I say we design a pavement for 30 years, I mean when we do a full reconstruction from the base up. A lot of times we have a stretch of road that need fixed without the money to do full depth construction so we may do a temporary fix like an overlay that will fail again shortly because the real problem lies in the subbase. This buys us a little time to gather more funds to do it proper while keeping the users somewhat happier "temporarily".
Long term planning is very difficult when our budget gets allocated to us each year in an unknown amount.
It boils down to funds and politics sadly. We do the best we can with what they give us.
Really there are far to many variables to get into on a keybourd but it comes down to funding usually. The problem is we have more road miles than dollars in the transportation fund. Where is the money going? Good question. We at ODOT have little control over the legislators redirecting funds from our budget to others. BUT Mary Fallin IS making a difference there so small changes are coming followed by bigger ones I think.
When I say we design a pavement for 30 years, I mean when we do a full reconstruction from the base up. A lot of times we have a stretch of road that need fixed without the money to do full depth construction so we may do a temporary fix like an overlay that will fail again shortly because the real problem lies in the subbase. This buys us a little time to gather more funds to do it proper while keeping the users somewhat happier "temporarily".
Long term planning is very difficult when our budget gets allocated to us each year in an unknown amount.
It boils down to funds and politics sadly. We do the best we can with what they give us.
