What Ammo in Your Carry Gun or Guns?

[druryj]

Years ago a company had what they called an Arcane round that was milled on a lathe out of solid copper. It was devastating but I think expensive. Velocities were unbelievable on 9 mm.

Add: I believe it was banned as body armor piercing.

See 3rd round, 2nd row. Was this it? Made by a French company, THV Ammunition I think it was?

 

[CharlieWH2O]

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See 3rd round, 2nd row. Was this it? Made by a French company, THV Ammunition I think it was?

That's it, I believe. I recall they had it in some rifle calibers also. If that solid copper ammo you posted is anything like it, it should be some good stuff.

 

[druryj]

It's not. But it might be pretty good stuff. Underwood say the penetration is very good and the wound cavity produced is humongous.

 

[snafu21]

Underwood, always underwood for carry.

 

[Ethan N]

Currently HST. Sometimes Gold Dot.

That Underwood Xtreme Defender stuff sounds interesting. How is it supposed to create a permanent cavity twice the size of hollow points? I can’t seem to find photos of what it looks like after firing into gel.

 

[druryj]

I know gel tests are just gel tests, but this is pretty impressive. Look at it from about 10:40 to see the results of the shot. The "Phillips screwdriver" lookin' bullet in these Underwood rounds are actually made by Lehigh Defense. Supposedly it's all about channeling pressure into the wound cavity to rip and tear. "Fluid Motion Transfer" … Besides this one, there's a bunch more gel tests of this stuff on YouTube, if you care to watch.

Also, Lehigh Defense makes a similar round with this same bullet. They say on their website that they partner with Underwood, and that the two loaded rounds are not necessarily the same. The specs show the Lehigh Defense 90 gr Extreme Defender to have a velocity of 1,350 fps and the same in Underwood a bit higher at 1,400 fps. I don't know for 100%, but this stuff sure does look nasty to me. I am impressed from what I have seen at this point

 

[aarondhgraham]

Well, about all I'll be able to do is see if it functions (I bet it does just fine) and maybe shoot an old melon or a water jug or something.

That's what I meant,,,
How well does it feed and is it even remotely accurate?

Aarond

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[Ethan N]

I know gel tests are just gel tests, but this is pretty impressive. Look at it from about 10:40 to see the results of the shot. The "Phillips screwdriver" lookin' bullet in these Underwood rounds are actually made by Lehigh Defense. Supposedly it's all about channeling pressure into the wound cavity to rip and tear. "Fluid Motion Transfer" … Besides this one, there's a bunch more gel tests of this stuff on YouTube, if you care to watch.

Ah that makes more sense. I was imagining the bullet deforming somehow to cause a large permanent wound cavity. It’s impressive that they’re able to get that large of a cavity that way. In theory, the bullet not expanding may also make it more likely to do the needed damage if it means it’s less likely to hit bone and be diverted from vital areas.

I’ll definitely be trying this ammo out sometime. It looks very promising.

 

[druryj]

I think it would just tear through most bones anyway and just cause more havoc, if it does all they say. I’m ordering some in both 9mm and 38spl. I’ve always liked Underwood so I’m going to bet on this new design.


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[AKguy1985]

I use hornady critical defense .38+P in my 442
and speer gold dot .357 sig in my car gun.