What gives with this guy wanting to kill the arts in OK?

[71buickfreak]

As usual, this has become too polarized. Being FOR the elimination of funding for the OAC does not in any way equal being anti art education in public schools.

It's as bad as the libs saying if you are against the assault weapons ban then you want kids to be gunned down in school.

Someone please show me that the OAC directly impacts, in a cost effective manner, the art education that my kids get in public school...if you can do that, I might be swayed.

Here is the link to some of the things they provide to schools:
http://www.arts.ok.gov/Arts_in_Schools/Arts_in_Schools_How_we_can_Help.html

If you don't want to clikc the link:


Arts in Schools

How We Can Help
March 30, 2011
Arts education can play an important role in improving academic performance in Oklahoma. Studies show that students who have four years of high school arts education score higher on college entrance exams than students with little or no arts education. Arts education often improves performance in math and science, increases school attendance, promotes civic engagement, and decreases anti-social behavior.

The Oklahoma Arts Council seeks to improve education in Oklahoma by offering services and grants for programs that help students in Oklahoma schools reach their creative potential.

Services
•We can help you with your grant application.
•We can help you develop your arts education program.



For grant-writing or program development assistance contact Michael Eddens, director of arts education programs at (405) 521-2023 or [email protected].



Grants

Grants from the Oklahoma Arts Council help students harness and develop their creativity and improve their education. Arts education gives students the tools they need to compete in a global and creative workforce. Grants for arts education in schools are listed below:

Capitol Art Travel Subsidies
Available to schools throughout the state, the program reimburses schools for transportation to the Oklahoma State Capitol where students can have an engaging educational experience in the arts. Students will learn about the art at the Capitol and the historical events and people depicted in the works. Parents and teachers can download a Capitol Art Field Trip Guide to accompany their visit.

Performing Arts Corps Grants
Schools statewide can bring in one of our four Performing Arts Corps artists for two workshops and a school-wide performance. The program is offered at a minimal cost and time commitment for the school. Workshops are intended for 4th and or 5th grade students.

Small Grant Support for Schools
All K-12 public and private, non-religious schools can apply for Small Grant Support for Schools to support eligible arts education programs. Individual schools are eligible for two grants of up to $2,500 per school year, with a cash match requirement equaling 10 percent of each project budget.

Arts in Alternative Education Grant (Closed)
Closed due to State Department of Eductaion budget cuts. Please see Small Grant Support for Schools for funding opportunities.

Arts in Education Grants
Nonprofit organizations can apply for funding to administer arts education programs in schools during normal school hours.

The OAC directly affects school art programs so that they can further education for children.

 

[SMS]

So how much of their $4M budget was dispursed to public schools via these grants? That would tell the tale much better. The cynic in me bets it's nothing close to half of the $4m.

 

[WTJ]

O noes! Not Modern Art Masterpieces like a tomato soup can or Private Pyle?

Schools should spent my, and everyone else's, tax dollars doing what they have not done well in years: giving young people a useful, practical education.

There is a reason the term 'Starving Artist' exists, or at least it did prior to gov subsidies.

 

[71buickfreak]

Art didn't create the XD, etc. Engineers that understood physics, math, and metalurgy built those guns.

Without a proper understanding of form, the function would a Hi-point. Those guns are ugly but functional. The XD is functional and beautiful. Art is in everything, it inspires.

All of that said, my problem is with the fact that this comes up before cutting non-educational items. Per pupil expenditures are down 20 percent since 2008.

Budget Cuts[23]
• State finance office was cut by $1.4 million
• Department of Consumer Credit will lose more than $200,000, of its $535,000 appropriation
• Oklahoma Health Care Authority was cut by $9.9 million, about 1 percent of the authority’s appropriations
• The prison system will lose $2.3 million
• Education-related funding will lose $167.4 million


Read more: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Oklahoma_state_budget#ixzz2JWXVJ9cf

They gut education, but prisons get just small cut. 167.4 million cut from education where it is needed the most. If you want to build the state up, you have to start at the schools. No one wants to bring their children to the state when the schools suck.

 

[71buickfreak]

O noes! Not Modern Art Masterpieces like a tomato soup can or Private Pyle?

Schools should spent my, and everyone else's, tax dollars doing what they have not done well in years: giving young people a useful, practical education.

There is a reason the term 'Starving Artist' exists, or at least it did prior to gov subsidies.

You still don't get it. It's not even about art, it is about cutting education funding. Your children need art to appreciate everything else. If China is the benchmark of education, then maybe we should actually take a good look at how they do things. All six primary grades recieve 2 hours per day of art and music education. The Chinese have an appreciation for art and how art mixes with science and math. And they are blowing us away in edication. So keep cutting education, keep gutting art programs, because that has worked so well so far.

 

[LightningCrash]

Adolf Hitler was an artist

Here is some of his work:
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/hitlerpaintings.htm

 

[71buickfreak]

Maybe I should put it to you this way- As gun owners, we complain that people making the decisions about gun rights don't know anything about guns and don't want to know anything about guns. It is the same thing here. We have people making decisions about art and education that don't understand how to educate children.

 

[71buickfreak]

Adolf Hitler was an artist

Here is some of his work:
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/hitlerpaintings.htm

and that has what to do with this discussion? So was DaVinci, and he was one of the greatest minds this world has known.

And FYI, Eisenhower was an artist, and he defeated hitler. Remember D-day? Yeah, that was him.
http://www.whha.org/whha_publications/publications_documents/whitehousehistory_21.pdf

 

[LightningCrash]

and that has what to do with this discussion? So was DaVinci, and he was one of the greatest minds this world has known.

And FYI, Eisenhower was an artist, and he defeated hitler. Remember D-day? Yeah, that was him.
http://www.whha.org/whha_publications/publications_documents/whitehousehistory_21.pdf

What does a Croatian gun have to do with this state policy discussion? Obviously we're just bringing up random crap to make hyperbole.

But Patton? Not an artist.

 

[uncle money bags]

What does a Croatian gun have to do with this state policy discussion? Obviously we're just bringing up random crap to make hyperbole.

But Patton? Not an artist.

He was so an artist. Its just his canvas was a little unconventional.