Now there is an idea.
If you are a Felon or have been adjudicated by a court of law that you are so mentally unstable that you cannot own a firearm, they you should also be so mentally unstable to vote.
UBC = Gun Registration. No other way it can work.
And all the whining about background checks for internet sales is bogus. All, and I mean all, internet sales result in background checks because the gun must be shipped to a FFL, who will perform a background check.
You must be one of those Bloomberg instigators we keep hearing about. Impeding on the rights of law abiding citizens will not stop anyone who wants to get a weapon to commit any crime. It is that simple, and if you are too "special" to understand that, then you might want to find another forum to pa-TROLL.
Hey Bloomberg, count me in the 10% and go ef yourself!
When you swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution, you dont get to cherry pick which parts!
When you swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution, you dont get to cherry pick which parts!
"Reasonable" is a very subjective term. We already bear many burdens in order to practice our rights in the interests of "safety". I find it very UNreasonable to burden myself and other law-abiding citizens any further than we already are when the burdens we already bear have done NOTHING to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
In some people's OPINION it is "Reasonable". In others, it is not. I think the concept is reasonable but the ONLY means of enforcing it would be coup d'etat for the 2nd Amendment. Universal BG checks would absolutely positively lead to universal registration of all firearms, no if's and's or but's. Not today, not tomorrow, probably not for another 20 to 50 years but it WILL happen if this law is passed. Even if enforceable, his law would stop nothing. Criminals and the insane will still get their hands on firearms no matter what law is passed and they will continue to cause the same carnage fueling this debate. Once this law is passed it will see the same rate of noncompliance as the thousands of other unenforceable gun laws on the books (noncompliance with laws is what criminals do - hence the term "Criminal"). The massacres that will occur in the future (an INEVITABILITY in a country of 300 million +) will be similarly capitalized upon by the next generation of 2nd Amendment Abolitionists to make the case for "Common Sense" universal firearm registration. They will correctly argue this "REASONABLE" next step is the only way to have any chance to enforce the well intentioned universal background check laws passed by the previous generation.
Think frog in a pot of boiling water folks. Heat the cool water quickly and the Frog will jump out as the story goes; but do it slowly and the poor dumb frog will fry. This analogy is a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually over long periods of time. Whether you call it stupidity or naiveté, the end result is the same - a dead frog. The 2nd Amendment can't be abolished all at once, it is too deeply ingrained in our culture and national identity for that and the 2nd Amendment Abolitionists pulling the strings at the top know this. The puppeteers at the top (Bloomberg & Soros to name a couple) are very intelligent people playing the long game from generation to generation, each secceeding generation picking up where the previous left off, slowly chipping away at the foundation of this freedom (second in importance ONLY to those freedoms/protections granted in the 1st Amendment - protected by the 2nd -10th Constitutional Amendments), whether because of irrational fear or reasons more sinister, until the trunk of the tree is too weak to support its weight and the whole thing comes tumbling down.
I know many of you support this law. It seems "Reasonable". Keep in mind, your children will grow up with this law in place and it will be normal just as it is normal to you that you cannot own an assault rifle (a restriction that was controversial at the time - forward thinkers knew it was just the first battle of a very long war). To them it will seem "Reasonable" to support universal registration. To their children, it may well seem "Reasonable" to use that registration list to collect and destroy all which they have been taught to fear in public school since their first day of kindergarten. Their education will have taught them there is no need for the 2nd Amendment in modern day America. They will have been enlightened, knowing the 2nd Amendment is nothing more than a dangerous relic of the past to be put to pasture with the spurs and saddles of its time.
Think it can't happen? It already has. That's why we are having this debate. The NRA was recently viciously attacked by the "Enlightened Ones" for a target practice video game rated for children 4 and up. The setting was an indoor range and the targets - paper bulls eyes. The basis for the attacks - marketing violence towards children. The long game goal, to teach children that guns = violence. Once that concept is firmly in place for the children of the remaining unenlightened barbarians, who think guns = (last resort protection of liberty + enjoyable sport + wildlife conservation mgt. + father child bonding, etc.), the fix will be in. Zero tolerance policies with regards to firearms are an very effective tool currently being employed. Children around the nation are being suspended for wearing shirts referencing the 2nd Amendment or for making a gun gesture with their fingers.
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I haven't read the proposed law, but my understanding is they are trying to target the types of transactions that take place on forums like this and armslist.com. Sales advertised online that take place FTF. If you advertised your firearm in any way shape or form (msg board, classifieds, cork board at church or work), the transaction will require background check - even if it is your neighbor, boss or preacher that answers the ad - because it was publicly advertised. ATF sees your ad and drops by six months later, better be able to produce the unsold firearm or proof of background check when they knock on your door as part of their "Random Check Enforcement Initiative". The rate of noncompliance they document will be one of the many statistics used in following years to push for universal registration (in the immediate aftermath of a Sandy Hook type mass shooting so as to leverage the ensuing fear and emotion to maximum effect).
Good analysis. +100!
In the short term we have to punish legislators in 2014 in NY CO and in the Us Senate. In the long term, we have to educate our kids that firearms are useful tools that make people free from a central tyrant who offers to protect them and requires only that they kneel for that protection.
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Sure, as long as Oblama gives up all his info. I've already been checked. Prior military, AZ. sheriff's dept. and OSBI for ccw.
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