12 states on path to carry guns with no permits

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Definitely a good idea, IMO.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...-gun-permits/53391932/1#.T1f4gKrVDQE.facebook


Legislatures in a dozen states are considering laws that would eliminate requirements that residents obtain permits to carry concealed weapons.

Gun-control advocates view the efforts as part of a long-range strategy to eventually weaken gun laws across the country. But supporters say armed, law-abiding citizens prevent crime.

Andrew Arulanandam, policy director for the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, which supports these legislative efforts, argues that crime rates are low in four states — Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming — that already allow residents to carry without a permit. "Our viewpoint is, a good person will always be a good person," he said. "They don't need a license to be a good person."


Brian Malte, the director of state legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence argues the permitless systems put law enforcement officers in a bad situation when they encounter someone with a weapon, and he's critical of efforts that would allow people who have never even shot a firearm to carry one in public.

"They want a gun in every nook and cranny in society with no permission needed and no background check," Malte said, adding, "This is just a recipe for disaster."

States that have been or are considering bills in current legislative sessions include Colorado, Iowa, Georgia, Kentucky, Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota and Virgina, according to the NRA.

South Dakota could be the fifth state to join the ranks of permit-less carry states. Lawmakers last week passed a measure allowing anyone 18 and older with a valid state driver's license to carry a concealed weapon, as long as they don't have a background that would otherwise prohibit them from getting a permit. The bill awaits action from Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard.

Mike Milstead, the sheriff of Minnehaha County, the state's largest, says his office processes about 2,000 permits a year, of which 30 to 40 are rejected because applicants have something in their backgrounds.

"The tough part will be on the small number of people that think they should have a permit that shouldn't," he said.

Wyoming's law went into effect in July. The state continues to issue permits for people who want to travel out of state, said Christopher Lynch, the project manager for the state's concealed firearms program.

In New Hampshire, Republican Rep. J.R. Hoell's bill has cleared the House. Hoell points to the recent school shooting in Chardon, Ohio, as a failure of gun control. "Gun-free zones kill people," he said.

Ellis also reports for the Argus Leader in Sioux Falls, S.D.
 

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It would be nice if they all kept the permit programs for those that so choose, due to the reciprocity agreements in place. At least until all the states go no permit, or the feds usurp states rights and do a national CCW.
 

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Do you think any other countries will start loosening up their gun laws, after we demonstrate that chaos does not ensue after we eliminate all restrictions on the carry of firearms?
 

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Do you think any other countries will start loosening up their gun laws, after we demonstrate that chaos does not ensue after we eliminate all restrictions on the carry of firearms?

Not without a fight. Most of Europe seems content in playing the role of the victim. As one who's been to South Africa a couple of times in the past few years, I can tell you they have guns... Lots and lots of guns. Their guns laws aren't the best but they are not the worst either (no outright ban). You can carry but it might take a couple of years to do so unless you're in a security unit - in which you get expedited to the top of the list. If you're not a part of the security force, a bribe will expedite the process...

The corruption there is horrendous. It's just more out in the public. They do try to hide it, some of it. But when you have police renting their cars and uniforms to criminals it's difficult to feel safe.

Okay, I'm disgressing... but, yes, there are a lot of guns there in the hands of good people. But lots in the hands of bad as well and no way in heck the current government there would be any more lax on their gun laws. It's all about money to them as they don't have a "Constitution."
 

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Do you think any other countries will start loosening up their gun laws, after we demonstrate that chaos does not ensue after we eliminate all restrictions on the carry of firearms?

Not a chance.

The history of Europe and the relationship between government and the people is one that evolved from master/slave, lord/serf, king/subject to government/subject. The people have no experience or expectation of being treated as anything else but a subject.

Subjects do pretty much what they're told to do by their masters. And in Europe the masters have learned the hard way that armed subjects have a very bad habit of tossing out and/or removing the heads of masters who don't play nice.
 

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Not a chance.

The history of Europe and the relationship between government and the people is one that evolved from master/slave, lord/serf, king/subject to government/subject. The people have no experience or expectation of being treated as anything else but a subject.

Subjects do pretty much what they're told to do by their masters. And in Europe the masters have learned the hard way that armed subjects have a very bad habit of tossing out and/or removing the heads of masters who don't play nice.


Good points. Well stated. Thus, I have to agree. :)
 

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Not a chance.

The history of Europe and the relationship between government and the people is one that evolved from master/slave, lord/serf, king/subject to government/subject. The people have no experience or expectation of being treated as anything else but a subject.

Subjects do pretty much what they're told to do by their masters. And in Europe the masters have learned the hard way that armed subjects have a very bad habit of tossing out and/or removing the heads of masters who don't play nice.

I agree. There are very few countries outside the US where citizens rights are enumerated as well as ours. Most consider them subjects to be ruled, even if they have a token democratic rule.
 

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