Active shooter, Ft. Hood

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It's a jacked up situation. I have a nephew in prison now, he turned to drugs after comming home from Iraq. We talked alot, he was in alot of mental pain. He just started seeing a VA doc and getting some help but got busted. Now he's screwed. Just another broken soldier with an addiction and a record. He deserved better.
 

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Despite all this, there was a sailor killed in Norfolk on a destroyer last week by a contractor who got on the ship, disarmed the watch, and shot another watch stander. Amazing I know.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/family-md-sailor-killed-in-in-norfolk-navy-shooting/25173036

When I was a young sailor, my first armed watch consisted of a pre-watch qualification of identifying the safeties on a .45 and demonstrating the proper procedures to load it. We had rounds, but the weapon was not loaded. During security alerts, drills or real, one of our responsibility was to secure the brow (primary ship access). We did this by racking and locking back the slide with a magazine in hand, so the load and shoot cycle was quite low.... we had the benefit of distance and hopefully time...

Now days the watches have loaded weapons with the resultant negligent discharges on turnover etc.

In the case I posted above, it seems the armed watch, usually a senior petty officer and the officer of the deck, was overpowered and the junior watch stander intervened to save their life. Unfortunately the loss of his was the result...

In my opinion, we, the military have gone a long way down a road to make service the equivalent of working for the post office, not that they don't work hard but it really should be different.

Maintaining, operating, and deploying weapons systems in hostile environments is not for everyone.

I think we ought to stop trying to make the responsibility and sacrifice something in which anyone can find success.

Oh I remember the intruder alerts. Our MarDet took that shiz way serious. Nothing like getting cuffed up for being a smartazz, then seeing XO. If i had known they had bullets in those guns, I'd a shat myself. Frigging jarheads, glad they were my buds.
 

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Despite all this, there was a sailor killed in Norfolk on a destroyer last week by a contractor who got on the ship, disarmed the watch, and shot another watch stander. Amazing I know.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/family-md-sailor-killed-in-in-norfolk-navy-shooting/25173036

When I was a young sailor, my first armed watch consisted of a pre-watch qualification of identifying the safeties on a .45 and demonstrating the proper procedures to load it. We had rounds, but the weapon was not loaded. During security alerts, drills or real, one of our responsibility was to secure the brow (primary ship access). We did this by racking and locking back the slide with a magazine in hand, so the load and shoot cycle was quite low.... we had the benefit of distance and hopefully time...

Now days the watches have loaded weapons with the resultant negligent discharges on turnover etc.

In the case I posted above, it seems the armed watch, usually a senior petty officer and the officer of the deck, was overpowered and the junior watch stander intervened to save their life. Unfortunately the loss of his was the result...

In my opinion, we, the military have gone a long way down a road to make service the equivalent of working for the post office, not that they don't work hard but it really should be different.

Maintaining, operating, and deploying weapons systems in hostile environments is not for everyone.

I think we ought to stop trying to make the responsibility and sacrifice something in which anyone can find success.

Oh I remember the intruder alerts. Our MarDet took that shiz way serious. Nothing like getting cuffed up for being a smartazz, then seeing XO. If i had known they had bullets in those guns, I'd a shat myself. Frigging jarheads, glad they were my buds.
 

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I completely understand this, I have a distant 2nd cousin who was driving through west OK on the way to a concert in Ill.

Was stopped for speeding, had a dog "hit", got busted for under an ounce of marijuana, a misdemeanor in some states.

He now has a felony, can't travel outside the states etc.

Drugs are bad.
 

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I remember one alert watching a new Mardet member lock up an 870 in a hatch, geeze he stopped quickly.....

Watching him stagger off, once he found his ass, was really quite entertaining...
 

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I think I've xprained this once before ,Dwight. One love one nut. One nut is all in the hell you need. I know tons of people with just one nut. We have a support group. Free coffee free donuts.
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I LOL at this whole dammed thread. You all sound like a bunch of libs.

You all champion constitutional carry, and yet wish to limit the military because they "might" have PTSB? Are you freeking serious?

Gang members in the military? Really? Gangs don't exist in the civilian world? LOL. .

Ever watch WWII/Korea/Vietnam vets describe their experiences on tv shows? To a man they shed a tear for lost comrades. Obvious PTSD by todays definition. Should we deny them the right to own a firearm?

Some of you need to go back and read your own thread, and rethink your opinion.

My opposition to universal, daily, arming of the entire base populace has zero to do with PTSD. To make this shooting, and the discussion surrounding it, about PTSD at all is a disservice and a shame.

Go back and read my input on the subject over the years and rethink your opinion of my opinion.

I like loudshirt's suggestion of selective arming of key individuals at each facility...much easier to manage logisitically and on the training/discipline side of things.
 
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