A, or it's trespassing and theft (or whatever the charge is for an unpaid meal). I definitely request a to-go box, and I'd tip my waiter well. That'd show 'em.
A, or it's trespassing and theft (or whatever the charge is for an unpaid meal). I definitely request a to-go box, and I'd tip my waiter well. That'd show 'em.
Probably B for me. If they pushed it I'd pay for it if they let me take my food with me. I would not tip the waitstaff. I know it isn't their fault, but I would be upset at that point and I wouldn't be feeling generous.
Crazy idea, but has anyone in the past week tried calling the Governor's office and requested to speak to him personally?
I know that's probably near impossible to do (wish we could go back to the 1800s when you could just walk up to the Governor's mansion, and the White House for that matter, and poke your head in and ask a question), but it doesn't hurt to try.
Maybe he just needs to hear the words from a citizen instead of a politician who supports the bill.
You know, someone to explain that 42 (I think that's the right number) states in our great country already have some degree of open carry, most being unregulated, and that it hasn't turned into he Wild West there.
Or maybe someone in OKC could try and get a meeting with him personally. Again, seems near impossible but it couldn't hurt to try.
Just a thought.
I know that's probably near impossible to do (wish we could go back to the 1800s when you could just walk up to the Governor's mansion, and the White House for that matter, and poke your head in and ask a question), but it doesn't hurt to try.
Maybe he just needs to hear the words from a citizen instead of a politician who supports the bill.
You know, someone to explain that 42 (I think that's the right number) states in our great country already have some degree of open carry, most being unregulated, and that it hasn't turned into he Wild West there.
Or maybe someone in OKC could try and get a meeting with him personally. Again, seems near impossible but it couldn't hurt to try.
Just a thought.
So what's the deal here?
EDIT: Sorry, Veggie Meat already answered this question on the previous page; thanks.
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J/K, the answer for me is a hybrid of B and C. Call the manager over, discuss it calmly, and verify that that is his/her position, that I'm being asked to leave, and if so, complain a little about this & that re: the law abiding don't open carry, etc., and explain why I won't be paying for the meal, as a result of being forced to leave, after invited in to eat, and that if they don't agree with this, then they can kindly lump it, as this is civil matter, as an extension of credit, and give him/her my lawyer's card if they wish to sue to attempt to recover on the extension of credit, then get up and leave as requested, after tipping the server but not paying the tab. Then follow up with a strongly worded letter to the idgits.
Incidentally, the answer is exactly the SAME, even if there had been a "stupid sign" on the front door. "Well, I'm sorry, I surely didn't see it." Then proceed with the above, but adding a little more in verbal abuse re: criminals also don't obey the signs, in addition to not carrying openly.
EDIT: Sorry, Veggie Meat already answered this question on the previous page; thanks.
E, E, E!!
J/K, the answer for me is a hybrid of B and C. Call the manager over, discuss it calmly, and verify that that is his/her position, that I'm being asked to leave, and if so, complain a little about this & that re: the law abiding don't open carry, etc., and explain why I won't be paying for the meal, as a result of being forced to leave, after invited in to eat, and that if they don't agree with this, then they can kindly lump it, as this is civil matter, as an extension of credit, and give him/her my lawyer's card if they wish to sue to attempt to recover on the extension of credit, then get up and leave as requested, after tipping the server but not paying the tab. Then follow up with a strongly worded letter to the idgits.
Incidentally, the answer is exactly the SAME, even if there had been a "stupid sign" on the front door. "Well, I'm sorry, I surely didn't see it." Then proceed with the above, but adding a little more in verbal abuse re: criminals also don't obey the signs, in addition to not carrying openly.
Actually, leaving without paying for a meal, even though you don't finish it, is not a civil matter. It's called "Defrauding an innkeeper".
Okla. Stat. tit. 21 § 1503
It would, of course, require that the DA prove you had no intention of paying for it. But, that is what you'd probably be charged with and forced to defend in court. Refusing to pay for it, or walking out without paying for it, would probably seal the deal against you.
In the mean time, the OSBI would probably suspend your permit to carry. At least until everything is settled.
The civil matter would come later. You vs. the restaurant and it's management.
B: if I ordered it and then they deny me the opportunity to eat it because I was engaged in lawful activity, I'm not paying for it. If I truly consumed half or more then I might leave some money.
I don't see an 'inkeeper' pursuing a costly legal battle over a dinner that costs less than an hour of a lawyers time.
I don't see an 'inkeeper' pursuing a costly legal battle over a dinner that costs less than an hour of a lawyers time.
I agree, but, it doesn't really cost them anything, until the civil trial much later.
They call the police, the police investigate, the info is forwarded to the DA, the DA decides to prosecute or not. If you're still present, and the police say you have to pay, and you still refuse, you get a free ride in the patrol car if the management won't back down. They would be called as witnesses for the prosecution. But the whole process wouldn't cost the restaurant anything, at this point.
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If I'm asked to leave, I'll leave. Unless I'm presented a bill/check, then I'm out the door and assume there is no charge. I don't have to stand around at that point and wait for a goodbye hug. Being asked to leave means leave. But I really doubt any manager in his right mind is going to ask you to leave and then shove a bill in your face. But if he does, I'll just ask for a doggie bag and go.
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