Is Obama threatening to arrest governors?

[n2sooners]

Obama Serves 14-State Governors With Warnings of Arrest: And why is this not front page news?

Barack Hussein Obama had served 14-State Governors in the United States, National Security Letters (NSLs) warning that the Governor’s actions in attempting to form “State Defense Forces” needs to be halted “immediately” or they will face arrest for the crime of treason. The employment of NSLs was authorized by the Patriot Act introduced by George W. Bush. Contained within the section related to these letters, it is forbidden for anyone receiving a NSL warning to even acknowledge the existence of said communication.

Obama is angered by the several State Governors who have reestablished “State Defense Forces.” These forces are described as: “State Defense Forces (also known as State Guards, State Military Reserves, State Militias) in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government; they are not regulated by the National Guard Bureau nor are they part of the Army National Guard of the United States. State Defense Forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state. State Defense Forces are distinct from their state’s National Guard in that they cannot become federal entities.”

Mr. Obama is fearful of these State Defense Forces, in that he does not have control of said forces, and with the U.S. Military stretched to near breaking from multiple deployments and theatre actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, these State military forces would be under the direct command and authority of the Governors in which states have said forces. In essence, the Governors would have “de facto control” of the United States.

The two Governors leading this move are: Tim Pawlenty, Governor of Minnesota; and Rick Perry, Governor of Texas. Both of these State Governors stated they have: “…deep fear the President is destroying their Nation.” Governor Pawlenty’s fear of Obama is that since Obama took office he has appeased America’s enemies and has shunned some of America’s strongest allies, especially Israel. Governor Perry has declared that Obama is punishing his State of Texas by dumping tens-of-thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants into the cities and small towns of Texas. Governor Perry further recently stated: “If Barack Obama’s Washington doesn’t stop being so oppressive, Texans might feel compelled to renounce their American citizenry and secede from the union.”

Obama fearing a revolution against him by the states, has moved swiftly by nationalizing nearly all National Guard Forces in multiple states; Georgia, Alabama, Kansas, Minnesota, Tennessee, Virginia, Louisiana, South Carolina – to name a few. The Governors of the Great States of Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia still have under their Command-and-Control the State Defense Forces to go against U.S. Federal forces should the need arise. Also important to note: There are NO U.S. laws prohibiting National Guard troops from also joining their State’s Defense Forces. This dilemma occurred during the Civil War with many “citizen soldiers” choosing to serve their states instead of the Federal Government.

This is a fluid and still developing situation that warrants close attention.

source

The source link they give at the site gives a 404 error so this whole story is suspect, but it does have some information about state defense forces which I found interesting so I thought I'd share anyway.

 

[excat]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/governors.asp

 

[n2sooners]

Yes, but for starters that is just Snopes and they are as suspect at any other source. It IS funny that they say it isn't even a plausible concept just weeks after the AG sent a threatening letter to the governor of Kansas.

But like I said, I was more interested in what it says about states having their own defense forces. I think all states should have their own form of a guard or militia that can't be taken over by the federal government.

 

[excat]

Yes, but for starters that is just Snopes and they are as suspect at any other source. It IS funny that they say it isn't even a plausible concept just weeks after the AG sent a threatening letter to the governor of Kansas.

But like I said, I was more interested in what it says about states having their own defense forces. I think all states should have their own form of a guard or militia that can't be taken over by the federal government.

I agree with you on both points. It's just what I could come up with that countered the article. I didn't find anything that gave reassurance to the original article posted. Even if times were good for everyone, I think the states should have their own form of defense, a "State's Guard" so to speak. It could be advantageous in several ways.

 

[Aku]

When is Mary going to mobilize Oklahoma's?

 

[Sanford]

Under 32 USC § 109(e) "A person may not become a member of a defense force . . . if he is a member of a reserve component of the armed forces." So NG members seem to be out - unless perhaps they "become" a member of the SDS prior to they or their unit being federalized(?)

Wonder if that means all of these folks would be ineligible, too?
"The Retired Reserve consists of all Reserve officers and enlisted personnel who receive retired pay on the basis of active duty and/or reserve service; all Reserve officers and enlisted personnel who are otherwise eligible for retired pay but have not reached age 60, who have not elected discharge, and are not voluntary members of the Ready or Standby Reserve; and other retired reservists under certain conditions."

 

[ez bake]

Yes, but for starters that is just Snopes and they are as suspect at any other source. It IS funny that they say it isn't even a plausible concept just weeks after the AG sent a threatening letter to the governor of Kansas.

Except that Snopes posts their sources... which "Beforeitsnews.com" does not - or they do, but if you follow it, you get a 404 error from a blogsite. The ole "I question your source" argument is tired and honestly takes credibility away from valid points (this isn't necessarily directed at you N2sooners, I've just seen far too many arguments end in that and it's about as effective (though less entertaining) as turning to "Yo mama" in a serious political debate.

We live in the age where you can do nearly as much research as most journalists by simply doing a quick search on the net - "I question your source" shouldn't even be a response anymore. We can post sources to discredit with little more effort.

 

[excat]

Under 32 USC § 109(e) "A person may not become a member of a defense force . . . if he is a member of a reserve component of the armed forces." So NG members seem to be out - unless perhaps they "become" a member of the SDS prior to they or their unit being federalized(?)

I think that is the point of the bills that they are passing, to make sure they are eligible to be a member,and to reassure states that they can have their own defense. I'd like to see how it's worded in the states that have passed such laws, but I'm too lazy to look into it that much. I'd be a little more curious if OK jumped on the wagon and started talks about this happening here.

 

[Sanford]

Well, looks like we have one ...

The Oklahoma State Guard is the inactive state defense force of Oklahoma. If activated, the mission of the Oklahoma State Guard is to augment, assist and support the Oklahoma National Guard and the civil authorities in Oklahoma. The State Guard is under the command of the governor of Oklahoma, as the Commander-in-Chief, and the Adjutant General of Oklahoma as the commanding officer.

... and it's nothing new.

Created by Oklahoma State Guard Act of 1941, the Oklahoma State Guard cannot be federalized and cannot be deployed outside Oklahoma. It is under the administrative command of the Oklahoma Department of the Military.

 

[Sanford]

§44241. Governor authorized to organize, maintain, etc. Uniform.

The Governor, pursuant to the authority granted the states by the Act of Congress of October 21, 1940, and under such regulations as the Secretary of Defense may prescribe for discipline in training, is hereby authorized to enlist, organize, maintain, equip and discipline such military forces other than the National Guard as he may deem necessary to defend the state. Such forces shall be uniformed and subject to Sections 1 through 117, 192 through 195.8, 208 through 235.2, and 2101 through 3113 of this title unless in conflict with such sections.
(Laws 1941, p. 170, § 1, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941; Laws 1985, c. 96, § 3, eff. Nov. 1, 1985.)

§44242. Designation Composition Distinct from National Guard Place of service.

Such military forces shall be designated as the "Oklahoma State Guard" and shall be composed of officers commissioned or assigned, and such able bodied male citizens of the state as shall volunteer for service therein. They shall be additional to and distinct from the National Guard organized under existing law. They shall not be required to serve outside the boundaries of this state.
(Laws 1941, p. 170, § 2, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)

§44243. Rules and regulations Arms and equipment Drill and instruction Similarity to National Guard Compensation and allowances.

The Governor is hereby authorized to prescribe rules and regulations governing the enlistment, organization, administration, equipment, discipline and discharge of the personnel of such military forces; to requisition from the Secretary of Defense such arms and equipment as may be in the possession of and can be spared by the Department of Defense and to extend thereto the facilities of state armories and their equipment and such other state premises and property as may be available for the purpose of drill and instruction. Insofar as applicable the procedure for the enlistment, organization, pay, maintenance, equipment and disciplining of such forces shall be in conformity with the law and the rules and regulations governing and pertaining to the National Guard; provided that the officers and enlisted men in the Oklahoma State Guard shall not receive any compensation or monetary allowances from the state except when called into active service by order of the Governor.
(Laws 1941, p. 170, § 3, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941; Laws 1985, c. 96, § 4, eff. Nov. 1, 1985.)

§44244. Calling into military service of United States not authorized No exemption from military service.

Nothing in this act shall be construed as authorizing such forces, or any part thereof to be called, ordered or in any manner drafted, as such into the military service of the United States, but no person shall by reason of his enlistment or commission in any such forces be exempted from military service under any law of the United States.
(Laws 1941, p. 170, § 4, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)

§44245. Persons not to be commissioned or enlisted.

No person shall be commissioned or enlisted in such forces who is not a citizen of the United States or who has been expelled or dishonorably discharged from any military or naval organization of this state, or of another state, or of the United States.
(Laws 1941, p. 170, § 5, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)

§44246. Oath of officers.

The oath to be taken by officers commissioned in such forces shall be substantially in the form prescribed for officers of the National Guard, substituting the words "Oklahoma State Guard" where necessary.
(Laws 1941, p. 171, § 6, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)

§44247. Term of enlistment Oath upon enlistment.

No person shall be enlisted for more than one (1) year, but such enlistment may be renewed. The oath to be taken upon enlistment in such forces shall be substantially in the form prescribed for enlisted men of the National Guard, substituting the words "Oklahoma State Guard" where necessary.
(Laws 1941, p. 171, § 7, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)

§44248. Articles of War Applicability Exemption from arrest, jury duty and service on posse comitatus.

(a) Whenever such forces or any part thereof shall be ordered out for active service the Articles of War of the United States applicable to members of the National Guard of this state in relation to courtsmartial, their jurisdiction and the limits of punishment and the rules and regulations prescribed thereunder shall be in full force and effect with respect to "the Oklahoma State Guard."

(b) No officer or enlisted man of such forces shall be arrested on any warrant, except for treason or felony, while going to, remaining at, or returning from a place where he is ordered to attend for military duty. Every officer and enlisted man of such forces shall, during his service therein, be exempt from service upon any posse comitatus and from jury duty.
(Laws 1941, p. 171, § 8, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)

§44-249. Repealed by Laws 1989, c. 154, § 2, operative July 1, 1989.

§44250. Citation of act.
This act may be cited as the State Guard Act.
(Laws 1941, p. 171, § 10, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.)