The only reason liberals and conservatives disagree is beacuse each of them wants to be in charge of telling everyone else what to do.
The only reason liberals and conservatives disagree is beacuse each of them wants to be in charge of telling everyone else what to do.
When discussing crime rates the only two variables are the number of people and the number of crimes. Isn't that how a crime rate is calculted? The FBI data is all that you need. It is broken done into several catagories if you want to be specific about types of crime. There is really no need for a study when we cabn see the data ourselves.
I agree this is a discussion worth having. My own discussions with people have revealed much of what the article states. Many liberals I'm in contact with regularly are pro-gun. We may disagree on levels of restrictions but they are certainly pro-gun or pro-personal defense. I've had this discussion with OK2A members as well. There is no reason that our meetings should be mostly conservative Republicans and independents. Rights are rights.
Position from the Liberal Gun Club includes:
We may disagree on the methods of solving the problem but sure looks like common ground to me.
The only reason liberals and conservatives disagree is because each of them wants to be in charge of telling everyone else what to do.
I'm sure that the mention of one name will inflame some, but I'll do it anyway. Glenn Beck has been pretty good with describing the differences in the political philosophies. Instead of using the label "liberal" for those that are supportive of removing people's rights, he uses the phrase "progressive." Progressives can be members of either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. I'd even suspect that some that would call themselves independents and libertarians might even be progressives.
Sadly, the progressive philosophy was actually started by Teddy Roosevelt. Progressives have no problem with government control, and it is a good example of why the Republican Party is feuding within itself, with the "establishment" folks fighting with the "tea party" type politicians and candidates. People like McCain, and to some degree, Romney, could be referred to as progressives if they are still leaning toward controlling people via government.
I've had discussions with many people that did not want to call themselves "liberal" because they had begun to feel uncomfortable. However, many of them confused the term "progressive," thinking that it meant more along the lines that they were more likely to be willing to try new things. When I asked them if they would then support school vouchers, they then tended to stammer because it has generally been the conservatives that want that to at least be tried.
I've certainly had my differences with members of OSA that differed from my conservative philosophies, but at no time have I felt that they were any more "evil" than I am. As for political parties, Oklahoma is a good example of a state where a lot of Democrats are actually conservative and vote that way. However, I think that most of the gun control ideas have been advanced by those that I refer to as progressives. Liberalism has been wrongly labeled from what the classic meaning was. Many who call themselves "liberal" now are far from the classic meaning.
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