Now, lets have a civil discussion about what the GOP needs to do

[freeranger]

Tell ya what, since you asked several questions, interspersed with opinion ill cut ya a break and give ya a Philosophy of Politics class for free, but ya must read John Locke, Rawls and Bentham before we start. Then read "the Leviathan" by Hobbes. By then ya ought to have a better grasp of the Constitution, Rights, Social justice and what happens when a Government grows as large as ours.

I'm sure you're well equiped to provide the education if prompted. And certainly, if we were to review all the postings you've provided on this forum we'd have a readily available, unlimited source of Constitutional understanding while at the same time being able to view your defense of it as well.

 

[freeranger]

Freeranger, I think you pretty well pegged it. IMO this was the last chance we had, and we blew it. As I see it, the two biggest threats our country faced, and the ones that brought it down,(besides what you said) were government run education, and the complacent press, otherwise known as the indoctination and propaganda arms of the liberal democratic party. Four years from now, and two or three Obama supreme court appointees, and I doubt that our once great nation will be recognizable. So really IMO what the republican party needs to do is a moot question. Actually, I reckon the democrats likes to keep the republicans, around so they can blame their obstructionism, for their own failed policies, so they can then double down. I certainly hope I have been civil.

Not sure if this was our last chance. I believe the peaceful remedy is the defense of the Tenth Amendment. By defending it, understanding the historical facts and educating Americans one person at a time, the decline of freedom could be reversed. I'm unwilling to give up just yet. My freedom is my passion. I've managed to turn a few over the years to similar thought.

 

[Lurker66]

I'm sure you're well equiped to provide the education if prompted. And certainly, if we were to review all the postings you've provided on this forum we'd have a readily available, unlimited source of Constitutional understanding while at the same time being able to view your defense of it as well.

All rehtoric and fun aside, the only difference between the Dems and GOP are social issues. They're both equally bad at walking on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 

[freeranger]

All rehtoric and fun aside, the only difference between the Dems and GOP are social issues. They're both equally bad at walking on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

I agree. Yet social issues aren't within the scope of enumerated powers to the federal government. They are reserved to the states. As such we should see to it that the federal government deals with the listed enumerated powers and let the states handle everything else. This is the proper design of federalism. A central, top heavy government always seeks to grow it's power. It never ends well for the people under such a system. I'm all for choice. I much rather have a choice of picking from fifty different options and live with the one that best suits my tastes than being limited to one choice which becomes unpalatable.

 

[Lurker66]

See, i think settling the social issues is key to allowing politicians govern.

Think of our nation as a person. In its infancy, things were simple, rules were few. As we got older, we had to live by our parents rules, even if they were dumb rules.

As young adults we want freedom, except we find out that its expensive and comes with cost and more rules we must abide by.

As adults we get to make rules, we have children. They cant work, they dont produce, they cost alot. We have to make new rules for them because our parents rules are dumb and outdated.

Now we're ready to retire and getting old, our kids are moving out, we can save some money.

Our kids now want freedom, they want what we had and more, they find out its expensive, they get older and make rules to suit them.

Meanwhile we're old, we dont work, we dont produce, we're expensive for our kids. And we must abide by not only our rules, but our childrens rules. And the cycle grows.

What separates us from our parents? Our politics are about the same. Our responsabilities are about the same.

What is different? Social issues. Solve this and all that left is letting one generation take care of the next.

 

[cjjtulsa]

If simply living by the Constitution isn't enough for "minority groups" - which should be good enough for all Americans, regardless of race, religion, color, or national origin - then kissing their collective asses by giving out special favors is only going to result in less for some, and more for others. Division, division, division. Just split the damned place up and be done with it already.

 

[freeranger]

See, i think settling the social issues is key to allowing politicians govern.

I see little evidence of politicians upholding their fiduciary duty once elected. At the federal level, this trust has been abused repeatedly as these "representative agents of people" make a mockery of the enumerated powers of the Constitution. Again, it seems to devolve into giving away free stuff to those who will cast their vote for the politician giving away the stuff. Those who have a work ethic are the losers as is the Constitution. The law is twisted so that instead of the law protecting all the people. it is used to punish those who have and reward the have nots. Frderic Bastiat states it as the law perverted. Until the republicans once again embrace republicanism and tirelessly defend the Constitution, they have nothing to offer the people. Unfortunately we've crosed the threshold where the producers are outnumbered by the takers. The democrats are capitalizing on this. The problem is that the law of economics will eventually come into play and the doling out of free stuff inevitably comes to an end. We become a nation like Greece. And during the process of "social justice", we'll have lost our freedom and our country.

 

[Vamoose]

I'm tired of this crap.
I'm going hunting.

Me too.

 

[mksmth]

GOP will never win enough of the black and Hispanic vote with an old white guy as a candidate to make a difference. Unless of course they offer all the stuff the Dems do. But even then they would risk losing some of their own votes.

Eventually we will run out of money and free stuff and there will be no other option but to start over. Lets just hope we arent to FUBAR'ed when that happens.

 

[TedKennedy]

Does it really matter if the GOP wins? If they "become" the Democrat party by embracing social positions similar to libs, what difference does it make? Both sides want your taxes, want to stay in power, and don't give crap about your Liberty.

The balance of parasites vs producers has tipped. The "free stuff" as some have mentioned becomes the social issue that matters now, because it boils down to the recipients of "free stuff" being able to vote in whoever promises "free stuff" at the expense of the producers.

So - as we bankrupt our country from within, the overseas expenditures in cash and life continue.

No hope in either party, and not much hope for the country at all, unless something like Divine Intervention occurs.