Open Carry poll

[owu1bag5]

You are right those werent about someone getting their open carried gun taken from them when they werent expecting it. As I stated earlier I think this expands upon the original idea that these weapons were taken away from people who had them out unholstered and ready to use.

I would be willing to wager if weapons can be taken away from the average citizen when they were pointing them at the BG it would be just as easy for a BG to remove a wepon from an unconcealed holster from a citizen who isn't expecting an attack, no matter where they are or what they are doing, buying stuff from a store, walking their dog...etc. They were about people prepared for a fight getting them taken away!!! What about someone who isn't paying attention, I think that its likely it would happen.

And as far as not knowing what the second amendment is about is an interesting statement. If you have read the federalist papers written mostly by Hamilton and Madison, and considered the time and context that the constitution was written easy inferences can be made about the context of citizens having a right to keep and bear arms.

Look at history and what the colonists and founding fathers were fighting. I think that amendment was written to secure peoples ability to defend themselves against tyrant governments. I dont have the time nor the fingers to type out an entire history lesson in an argument where you aren't going to change my mind.

I feel that open carry is a big mistake and to allow it would be irresponsible on behalf of gun owners everywhere.

As far as image of law abiding gun owning citizens is concerned, is there anything illegal about buying beer and cigarettes while armed...the answer is no there isn't however there is a stigma attached to it......I ask howcome...the same reason you dont want that to be the image associated with responsible gun ownership....the fact of the matter is if its not illegal there is nothing that can be done about it.

Back to the basics, Fact 1 people get firearms taken away from them citizens and officers alike.. Fact 2 BG's use those weapons against them, I dont see why we would want to make it any easier for people to put themselves in a potentially dangerous situation or pass laws that would enable a public nuisance. Care to think of how many calls the police would get about someone walking around with an openly displayed weapon, the cops would show up, prone the guy out, probably handcuff him and the whole nine yards. All this causing a scene and a disturbance that intereferece with commerce, commute, and daily life....all in all if you evaluate the Risk Vs. Reward of Open carry the Rewards dont out weigh the Risks.

i agree with you that the 2nd is about protection from a tyrannical government, but i also believe that it is about the personal right to carry a firearm as well.
we have what 44 states that allow open carry one way or the other? so what you are saying is that there are 44 states doing it wrong. i guess i will agree to disagree with you. opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one and they all stink.

 

[1shot(bob)]

I fail to understand why I can't exercise and/or enjoy my god-given natural born rights because someone else might be offended or scared by it.
I'm just a simpleton redneck, but if grandma is afraid to go to the grocery store because I'm enjoying one of my rights, so be it.
I think personal responsibility is due a comeback. If stupid people do stupid things, they need to suffer because of it. If you let someone get your gun and they shoot you, I'm sorry. Stuff happens. Learn to not let it happen.
All of your scenarios talk about me giving up MY rights so others will be happy. They don't have a right to be happy at my expense. I won't forfeit my right to carry so they can have their right to a pursuit of happiness. Their pursuit is up to them, not me.
Let's take that to the next level with the first amendment. Should I be able to speak freely and openly even if it offends someone? What if they start limiting our words and thoughts so no one gets offended by what I say? Is that any different? Laws that limit my words of speech would never be allowed, since I have a right outlined in the COTUS. Oh CRAP!! The PC police do just that. Dammit!

bob

 

[Daryl Licht]

No vote from here. It would be metaphysically impossible for me to care less about "open carry".

Let's go Vermont/Alaska style, no permit required for in state carry. The current SDA permitting law should remain in place so that those who travel to reciprocal states can do so legally there.

 

[gnslnger44tx]

I carried open when I was in AZ. I never had any problems or heard of anyone else having problems and there were a lot of people carrying open. The second amendment gives us the right, it shouldn't have been taken away. I would like to see this pass.

gnslnger44tx

 

[HiPower]

I would like to find a District Attorney who would prosecute Joe for that set of circumstances. For most crimes to be crimes there has to be intent, slipping and falling and having a weapon you attempted to conceal become uncovered would not mean you werent attempting to conceal your weapon and any charge, even if a LEO arrested you (which I dont see happening) would be dismissed.

So if that is the reasoning for open carry I would fully support a clause that made accidental exposing of a firearm not a crime.

Have you never dealt with the IRS?...no intent is required there!

 

[loudshirt]

Many people here talk about a very strict view of the Second Amendment and how the Constitution says that they can open carry any and everywhere. How they it says they should be able to own any type of weapon available. So here are my questions for you.

1. If you apply the same ideology to the 1st Amendment There should be no censorship in TV or radio. So full on porn could be on over the air TV any time day or night. Anyone could libel or slander you and it would be protected so you could not really do anything about it.

2. How would you feel if your neighbor came over and said hey I just got a great new weapon. You go over and he has a suitcase dirty bomb? He continues with thanks to the Second Amendment I am going to carry this everywhere I go so if I go down I am taking as many people as I can with me.

 

[Nik]

Your freedom does not allow you interfere with the freedom of others and incite violence. I cannot use the 1st amendment as an excuse to yell "Fire! Evacuate!" inside a hospital when no such fire exists.

As for open carry, I support the right...although I may not actually carry open.

The same arguments being made now about naive untrained citizens having guns openly were made when the concealed carry law was being discussed. Having experience in a couple of other states that allow open carry, there is nothing for you to fear (unless you are scared of freedom...in which case I have heard that China's economy is growing so maybe there are good jobs there).

North Carolina (3 times the population of Oklahoma) and Arizona (2 times the population of Oklahoma) have open carry and are not on the front page of the USA Today or New York Times for their convenience store massacres due to criminals stealing a law-abiding citizens gun from the citizens holster.

Most criminals usually prepare by getting a gun prior to seeking out the crime to commit...just words of wisdom.

Many people here talk about a very strict view of the Second Amendment and how the Constitution says that they can open carry any and everywhere. How they it says they should be able to own any type of weapon available. So here are my questions for you.

1. If you apply the same ideology to the 1st Amendment There should be no censorship in TV or radio. So full on porn could be on over the air TV any time day or night. Anyone could libel or slander you and it would be protected so you could not really do anything about it.

2. How would you feel if your neighbor came over and said hey I just got a great new weapon. You go over and he has a suitcase dirty bomb? He continues with thanks to the Second Amendment I am going to carry this everywhere I go so if I go down I am taking as many people as I can with me.

 

[DestructoJr]

Have you never dealt with the IRS?...no intent is required there!

I think there is a difference in Tax law and Criminal Law.....

WTF does the IRS have to do with this

 

[tiasman]

The arguments against open carry I am hearing are many of the same ones I heard against the SDA back in 93/94, fears that have not materialized.

 

[jdgabbard]

First off destructo, most of your news flashes that you gave involve people who back a angry dog into a corner (so to say) who fought back, or were just stupid. If see someone inside my house, I'm not going to RE-ENTER thehouse to get a pistol. That's stupid, and the guy sounds like an oxygen thief to me.

I'm all for open carry. In fact I think you should be able to carry just about whatever you want. Obviously RPGs and the such should be restricted due to the isms involved in firing a rpg into a room full of women and children. But besides RPGs and hand grenades if you CAN carry it, then go for it.