Open Carry poll

[40XD]

That's stupid, and the guy sounds like an oxygen thief to me.

Just so you know i am going to use this

 

[1shot(bob)]

Many people here talk about a very strict view of the Second Amendment and how the Constitution says that they can open carry any and everywhere. How they it says they should be able to own any type of weapon available. So here are my questions for you.

1. If you apply the same ideology to the 1st Amendment There should be no censorship in TV or radio. So full on porn could be on over the air TV any time day or night. Anyone could libel or slander you and it would be protected so you could not really do anything about it.

OK, so how much of the COTUS are you willing to ignore to make sure you don't see something that offends you. Censorship of TV and radio is unconstitutional.
Libel and slander are not protected by the COTUS and never have been. It's that whole 'your rights stop where mine start' argument, and the reason we can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

2. How would you feel if your neighbor came over and said hey I just got a great new weapon. You go over and he has a suitcase dirty bomb? He continues with thanks to the Second Amendment I am going to carry this everywhere I go so if I go down I am taking as many people as I can with me.

It would depend on which neighbor. ;-) Nevertheless, the COTUS is the COTUS. It protects everyone, not just the people I trust and respect.

bob

 

[acpjosh]

I am for open carry, but believe that auto locking holsters such as
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http://www.google.com/product_url?q...atF_UyMcDT4zQAAAAAAAAAAA&gl=us&hl=en&sa=title
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=safailand+als&hl=en&cid=16123294223785728210&sa=title#p

These would make it a bit more difficult for the average BG to take from you.
As for concealed carry or open carry, I think that more training is needed for some people that attend the classes. I say this because I have SO'd many CC classes and have seen some stuff that is a little scary, even after dry fire drills and basic gun manipulation demos (that includes one on one). There has been many folks that have taken the class and have never fired a pistol and even some of the people that say they have can be pretty much clueless. The SDA instructors here take time to explain gun safety, but it seems like some just forget about it when they get to the firing line.

 

[Badley]

I have a question for yall, why do you feel the need to carry? Is it for personal protection, intimidation, or assault? When I’m speaking of carry, I am talking about on your person.

My opinion on this matter is that you should be able to carry, concealed or open. I myself carry for personal protection. If I am in a situation that causes me to have to use my weapon, I plan on using my weapon to neutralize the situation and/or removing my self from it. I don’t feel I need a long gun or shot gun to do this. I don’t plan on going on the offensive.

My opinion on what a person can carry varies. Shot guns, Rifles, "assault weapons" (Pretty much any thing that’s fully automatic) really don’t have a place in "on person" carry. Should you be able to have access to these weapons? Sure, although from personal experience, fully automatic weapons are better for creating noise and distraction, than they are for identifying a target and removing that target. And my experience is not shooting at a individuals of course, just shooting at targets.

A person should be aware bullet performance with any weapon they carry. I think a lot of the time people who, with the best of attentions, argue for our 2nd amendment rights are not very knowledgeable about weapon performance. The same goes for those who argue against those rights. We need to remember/understand that once our projectile reaches its target it doesn’t just stop. Depending on what you are shooting and the bullet its self, performance varies. If you have hunted, you know that you can shoot a animal at 150 to 200 yards and get a clean pass through. Thant bullet goes somewhere. If you are at Ken's Pizza and some dirt bag comes in threatening to shoot some one, you wouldn’t want to pull up your 30'06 and shoot through him and also kill Grand ma in the bathroom stall behind the Frogger machine.

I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. I believe it was written and ratified by wise men with the best interest of the Nation in mind. I also believe that if these same wise men would not consider the censorship of Porn from public broadcast as unconstitutional. When the constitution was written public decency and moral values carried more weight than personal wealth.

Jason

 

[acpjosh]

I have a question for yall, why do you feel the need to carry? Is it for personal protection, intimidation, or assault? When I’m speaking of carry, I am talking about on your person.

My opinion on this matter is that you should be able to carry, concealed or open. I myself carry for personal protection. If I am in a situation that causes me to have to use my weapon, I plan on using my weapon to neutralize the situation and/or removing my self from it. I don’t feel I need a long gun or shot gun to do this. I don’t plan on going on the offensive.

My opinion on what a person can carry varies. Shot guns, Rifles, "assault weapons" (Pretty much any thing that’s fully automatic) really don’t have a place in "on person" carry. Should you be able to have access to these weapons? Sure, although from personal experience, fully automatic weapons are better for creating noise and distraction, than they are for identifying a target and removing that target. And my experience is not shooting at a individuals of course, just shooting at targets.

A person should be aware bullet performance with any weapon they carry. I think a lot of the time people who, with the best of attentions, argue for our 2nd amendment rights are not very knowledgeable about weapon performance. The same goes for those who argue against those rights. We need to remember/understand that once our projectile reaches its target it doesn’t just stop. Depending on what you are shooting and the bullet its self, performance varies. If you have hunted, you know that you can shoot a animal at 150 to 200 yards and get a clean pass through. Thant bullet goes somewhere. If you are at Ken's Pizza and some dirt bag comes in threatening to shoot some one, you wouldn’t want to pull up your 30'06 and shoot through him and also kill Grand ma in the bathroom stall behind the Frogger machine.

I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. I believe it was written and ratified by wise men with the best interest of the Nation in mind. I also believe that if these same wise men would not consider the censorship of Porn from public broadcast as unconstitutional. When the constitution was written public decency and moral values carried more weight than personal wealth.

Jason

Well put

 

[338Shooter]

Many people here talk about a very strict view of the Second Amendment and how the Constitution says that they can open carry any and everywhere. How they it says they should be able to own any type of weapon available. So here are my questions for you.

1. If you apply the same ideology to the 1st Amendment There should be no censorship in TV or radio. So full on porn could be on over the air TV any time day or night. Anyone could libel or slander you and it would be protected so you could not really do anything about it.

2. How would you feel if your neighbor came over and said hey I just got a great new weapon. You go over and he has a suitcase dirty bomb? He continues with thanks to the Second Amendment I am going to carry this everywhere I go so if I go down I am taking as many people as I can with me.

It's already illegal to kill people unless it is justifiable. I don't want to kill anyone, if I have a suitcase bomb and I walk around with it it won't hurt anyone. If I wanted to kill people, I wouldn't give two s#!ts if it were legal to have a suitcase bomb or not.

I have never heard an argument against OC that holds any water. One little detail always gets in the way, the Constitution.

 

[Bullbuster]

You are right those weren’t about someone getting their open carried gun taken from them when they weren’t expecting it. As I stated earlier I think this expands upon the original idea that these weapons were taken away from people who had them out unholstered and ready to use. Its going to happen to someone at some point in time no one is perfect at hand to hand. It happens while on the battle field as well.

I would be willing to wager if weapons can be taken away from the average citizen when they were pointing them at the BG it would be just as easy for a BG to remove a weapon from an unconcealed holster from a citizen who isn't expecting an attack, no matter where they are or what they are doing, buying stuff from a store, walking their dog...etc. They were about people prepared for a fight getting them taken away!!! What about someone who isn't paying attention, I think that it’s likely it would happen . I hope you recognize that YES it could even happen to you. Unless you feel your Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris rolled into one. When you carry are you like a cat ready to pounce at all times? Again like others have mentioned PROVIDE something that ACTUALLY show's a Joe Shmo OC'ing and having a BG disarm him/her and or using it on the gun owner or anyone else for that matter. I have been to OC gathering's in which over 100 people OC'd and guess what nothing happened except good food and conversation. No one screams and running circles in the streets.

And as far as not knowing what the second amendment is about is an interesting statement. If you have read the federalist papers written mostly by Hamilton and Madison, and considered the time and context that the constitution was written easy inferences can be made about the context of citizens having a right to keep and bear arms.

Look at history and what the colonists and founding fathers were fighting. I think that amendment was written to secure peoples ability to defend themselves against tyrant governments. I don’t have the time nor the fingers to type out an entire history lesson in an argument where you aren't going to change my mind.

I feel that open carry is a big mistake and to allow it would be irresponsible on behalf of gun owners everywhere.[/B]So what your saying is that myself and ANYONE who isn't ANTI-OC is irresponsible? That offends me and I'm sure every other person in the 44 other states that has OC and isn't against it. What is it about OC that scares you so much? Are you afraid to upset someone that sees you OC'ing. Well I'm sorry to say that you already upset many people because you’re a gun owner. Are you going to get rid of guns because of that? I think not.

As far as image of law abiding gun owning citizens is concerned, is there anything illegal about buying beer and cigarettes while armed...the answer is no there isn't however there is a stigma attached to it......I ask how come...the same reason you don’t want that to be the image associated with responsible gun ownership....the fact of the matter is if its not illegal there is nothing that can be done about it.Not at all, and I agree about the stigma. I'm sure even you can agree that consuming such adult brew isn't responsible while armed and THAT I feel is where the stigma comes from.

Back to the basics, Fact 1 people get firearms taken away from them citizens and officers alike.. Fact 2 BG's use those weapons against them, I don’t see why we would want to make it any easier for people to put themselves in a potentially dangerous situation or pass laws that would enable a public nuisance. Care to think of how many calls the police would get about someone walking around with an openly displayed weapon, the cops would show up, prone the guy out, probably handcuff him and the whole nine yards. All this causing a scene and a disturbance that interference with commerce, commute, and daily life....all in all if you evaluate the Risk Vs. Reward of Open carry the Rewards don’t out weigh the Risks.We are all always putting ourselves in potential danger. Everytime you get behind the wheel, walk down a sidewalk, or doing anything for that matter. Some risk is always involved in every action we make. Even in those other 44 states police still get a call about a MWAG. Its delt with given the situation at hand. In VA the operators are trained in OC laws and pass that information onto the caller. Again the police response if any is based on the caller’s information. As far a scene's being made if I'm stopped and I know I'm legal and not doing anything wrong to the hell with everyone else as I'm not going to be embarrassed.

My 2 cents in red.

 

[ExtremistPullup]

I'm for open carry because wouldn't have to worry about printing.

It seems like the police are the only ones who care or notice.

 

[henschman]

How about just having no laws on how you can carry your firearm, open or concealed, and no requirement to get permission from the state to do any of this? I you want to stick a pistol in your pocket when you go out, go for it. If you want to strap it to your leg? OK. Sling it over your back? Why not. Its your right to live, after all, and a necessary corollary of your right to live is your right to protect your life from threats. The state has no business requiring you to ask its permission to exercise your rights.

An armed society is a polite society.
-- Robert Heinlein

 

[Keyser328]

I also believe that if these same wise men would not consider the censorship of Porn from public broadcast as unconstitutional. When the constitution was written public decency and moral values carried more weight than personal wealth.

Check out Brazil. They're daily "soap operas" are strait up soft core (or worse) porn. The story lines are roughly what ours are, just far more 'steamy'.

Brazil hasn't melted into depravity and nuked itself off the map yet, and they've been this way for a long time. Nudity and sexuality are not taboo there, and as such, it doesn't bother anyone.

Much like someone mentioned, when the SDA went into effect, it was very taboo and there was a lot of criticism. If/when the open carry law goes into effect it will be very taboo and the criticism will abound. After awhile, people will stop worrying about it because it will become normal.


We all drive cars. Each one of us is more capable and frankly, more likely to hurt someone with a vehicle than a gun.