Open carry?

[vvvvvvv]

You can kiss the open carry bill good bye. Some other lawmaker injected a clause that only applies to restraining order applicant, how that clause was injected blows my mind, now the bill with the new clause comes to the senate for vote. Hope the cluase gets change at the senate or else the open carry bill will never see the light of day. Wow just imagine all our tax money to pay for all these lawmakers to argue about my rights to bear arms. Everything boils down to "Rights is not what you have but what is allowed you to", funny since this country is founded by bearing arms against tyrany of england.

HB1647 wasn't an open carry bill in the sense that it decriminalized or legalized open carry. Open carry would still be a crime by default, even without that language from the Virgin amendment. If you chose to open carry, you would be required to articulate a "reasonable fear of bodily harm". If the judge didn't agree that your fear was "reasonable", you would be guilty of unlawful carry.

Everyone who pushed that bill as an "open carry" bill should have their position on the Second Amendment questioned.

 

[Mirge]

HB1647 wasn't an open carry bill in the sense that it decriminalized or legalized open carry. Open carry would still be a crime by default, even without that language from the Virgin amendment. If you chose to open carry, you would be required to articulate a "reasonable fear of bodily harm". If the judge didn't agree that your fear was "reasonable", you would be guilty of unlawful carry.

Everyone who pushed that bill as an "open carry" bill should have their position on the Second Amendment questioned.

Agreed. Bill was garbage. There an easy way to follow the senate bill?

 

[vvvvvvv]

Agreed. Bill was garbage. There an easy way to follow the senate bill?

CLICKY

 

[Mirge]

CLICKY

Ahh bookmarked, thank you sir!

Ah crap... referred to public safety.. Tibbs? So much for that.

 

[vvvvvvv]

Ahh bookmarked, thank you sir!

Ah crap... referred to public safety.. Tibbs? So much for that.

Yep. And you can change the bill number in that link to any bill.

As for Tibbs, well, get another discharge petition ready before they screw it up with a committee substitute.

 

[CHenry]

I think you're getting a discharge petition confused with an initiative petition. An initiative petition is a public petition to get a measure on the ballot, whether it be a statute or a Constitutional amendment. An initiative petition is circulated among the public and requires 51,739 valid signatures (meaning you need at least 100K to be "safe").

A discharge petition is a petition among the House of Representatives to forcefully discharge a bill from committee. This is how HB1647 got to the floor. Tibbs wouldn't let it out, so OK2A and some other so-called "open carry" activists circulated the discharge petition at the Capitol. (I note the "open carry" part because they were making little, if any, mention of the lifetime permits for veterans.) Upon receiving 68 signatures, the bill is discharged from committee and placed on the General Calendar. It bypasses the committee chair and House leadership.

An initiative petition bypasses the legislature altogether.

No, not getting them confused.
In one post though I thought you said a DP could be stated by a house Rep and then circulated by individuals...and then in another post you told me it reguired 68 reps to sign it. Thats my confusion.

 

[sanjuro893]

I'm sending an e-mail to the governor as well, telling her that if the language isn't changed in HB 1647 she needs to VETO it on the grounds that this is not what was intended when we said we wanted "open carry".... or something to that effect.

 

[Peacemaker]

Does the house have to vote on the Senate Bill or can the Republicrats just tie it up in the process like they did with HB1796?

Also, can they amend SB129 in the House or do they have to vote on the bill as passed by the Senate?

 

[cowmugger]

If I can get a discharge petition started, who would be willing to help circulate it?
How many signatures would it have to get from the public?

I'm in. I'll take a vacation day and take the kids for a government lesson. If we are smart about this, and use wisdom, we may be able to have someone working the discharge petition several days of the session. It may be harder for a rep to turn one of his constituents down with a face to face than turning down the aid of another rep.
Also, they may talk amongst themselves of seeing constituents show up about open carry, instead of just calling and writing. I'm concerned this it what it will take to get it out of the criminal safety committee.

 

[vvvvvvv]

Does the house have to vote on the Senate Bill or can the Republicrats just tie it up in the process like they did with HB1796?

Also, can they amend SB129 in the House or do they have to vote on the bill as passed by the Senate?

They can tie it up in the committee. Unlike HB1796, it obviously has a Senate author so it can be heard on the House floor.

The House will have to amend SB129 to pass it. The Senate passed it with a stricken title which prevents it from becoming law. The House has to reinstate the title, pass it, and then the Senate has to concur. If the House passes it with the same language (plus intact title), expect some Senators to flip.

The House can also strike the entire language of the bill and replace it with something else. IIRC, the language in HB3354 originated in a Senate committee.