Places that are off limits for CCW?

[vvvvvvv]

Curious.... I went to a local establishment the other night to have a brew....

Now, I didn't take my gun inside with me, because part of my purpose was to have a brew (or two). So I left it in the car, and proceeded to have dinner with a colleague and then left for home.

In the meantime, I've wondered.... would it be legal to carry concealed in this establishment if I decided to just go have lunch? It is NOT a "bar", but I'm not sure that the primary purpose is food, either.... It's technically billed as a "Pub and Grill" I believe. No way for me to determine if the primary purpose is food or alcohol, I don't guess....

Any thoughts?

Of course, I have no intention of carrying concealed after drinking.

Although.... if I have a beer or two and leave the weapon in the glovebox, when I leave, I am technically still "carrying" as it is a loaded weapon in an automobile and thus covered by the CCW permit, as opposed to an unloaded weapon in an automobile and allowed by state law for most anyone. I don't personally see that it is better to actually remove the gun from the glovebox, remove the magazine, empty the chamber, load the round back in the magazine and place both back in the glovebox. Isn't it better to let sleeping dogs lie? I mean, I am not inebriated, of course, but the argument could be made that even after one or two beers (20oz Murphy's Red, in this case ), a person's reflexes and/or coordination could be impaired, yet not legally speaking over the limit to drive. Performing all these actions in the confines of a darkened automobile seems overly complex when one could just leave well enough alone in the glovebox and drive home. I would, of course, NEVER turn on the dome light in such a situation, inviting passers-by to an easy look at me fumbling with a loaded weapon in the vehicle, lol. In my raggedy hoopty, they would immediately surmise I was about to either rob the nearest liquor store or just commence shooting innocents forthwith...


So.... I guess my second question is, should I refrain from ever consuming alcohol if I've brought my weapon from home? Is locking it up in the car and leaving it in the glovebox considered safe "enough"? Or should I make a trip home to drop off my weapon before proceeding to dinner with my wife where we might have a glass of wine or two?

These are serious questions, I'm not looking to start trouble, just wondering what might be the best way to handle things.

I think its BryanDP that has all the knowledge about bar -vs- restaurant, but they way that I recall is that if it has a 21+ sign on the door then it is likely a bar. In Oklahoma, ENTIRE establishements are licensed as either a bar or restaurant, and the bar area of a bonafide restaurant (say, Chili's) is not a "bar" in the legal sense. I'll see if I can dig it up, but I asked a question quite a while back about using the "express lane" (what I call the bar area at restaurants that have them, since I don't have even one drink and then drive... not because I think that one drink is over the limit, but because I don't want to give an officer who's having a bad night anything to hold against me).

 

[vvvvvvv]

have you talked to the owner about removing it?

Not yet. I need to find the time and formulate the conversation first. The owner has a lot of stuff and can be quite influential in this area. Its a hand that I wouldn't want to bite because it could be a useful connection down the road.

Haven't read this whole thread so this may have already been said. I think it's pretty stupid of the owners and managers of any business like banks, credit unions, fast food, Quick Trip etc. to post No Gun signs.

These are the places that get robed and people get killed. The bad guy isn't going to pay any attention to the sign other than feel he is safer robing an establishment that has a sign rather than one that doesn't.

Some peoples logic just escapes me... I don't get it...

...and that's why I avoid them. I see it as a statistical increase in likelyhood of "it" happening to me.

 

[ExtremistPullup]

OKC zoo doesn't have signs its self, but the gift shop and offices have gun buster signs.

I didn't see any on the Oklahoma Science museum.

 

[ExtremistPullup]

I work at Bancfirst at the Cash vault, and I asked them about the

"employee no concealed weapons on bank property"

they got back to me with

"I don't see a problem with keeping it in your locked vehicle".

 

[freetrapper]

So in Oklahoma is there a specific "No Carry" sighn as in Kansas or does any verbage saying no guns or no weapons good enough to prevent legal carry?

Also I did not notice Hospitals or health care facilities listed in the list of no carry places I printed out. Are they open to CC?

 

[WhiteyMacD]

So in Oklahoma is there a specific "No Carry" sighn as in Kansas or does any verbage saying no guns or no weapons good enough to prevent legal carry?

Also I did not notice Hospitals or health care facilities listed in the list of no carry places I printed out. Are they open to CC?

You're getting ready to stir a pot here. The argument will continue for ages.

Oklahoma has defined areas which are illegal to carry in (gov't buildings, areas used for state business, yadda yadda yadda).

Then there's the private property with the gunbuster signs.

You will get half saying that if you violate a gunbuster sign, you will lose your license and face all penalties for illegal carry.

The other half will say the gunbuster sign will result in the owner asking you to leave, if you do not, its trespassing.

As far as my stand, with private property and gunbuster signs... if they dont know, it doesnt hurt them.

 

[freetrapper]

You're getting ready to stir a pot here. The argument will continue for ages.

Oklahoma has defined areas which are illegal to carry in (gov't buildings, areas used for state business, yadda yadda yadda).

Then there's the private property with the gunbuster signs.

You will get half saying that if you violate a gunbuster sign, you will lose your license and face all penalties for illegal carry.

The other half will say the gunbuster sign will result in the owner asking you to leave, if you do not, its trespassing.

As far as my stand, with private property and gunbuster signs... if they dont know, it doesnt hurt them.

Thanks man, stirring the pot, was not my intent. I will reword the question abit. I had read this post and noticed that there are a mix of opions on what the signs mean. In Kansas there is one specific sign for no concealed carry. Any other text based signs do not apply to us. I was wondering if OK had such a sign or were private owners able to simply post a text based warning against concealed carry.

Secondly I was told there was no carry in hospitals in OK. However reading the Oklahoma self defense act I do not see hospitals listed. Am I reading it right that hospitals are open to carry if not posted?

 

[WhiteyMacD]

Thanks man, stirring the pot, was not my intent. I will reword the question abit. I had read this post and noticed that there are a mix of opions on what the signs mean. In Kansas there is one specific sign for no concealed carry. Any other text based signs do not apply to us. I was wondering if OK had such a sign or were private owners able to simply post a text based warning against concealed carry.

Secondly I was told there was no carry in hospitals in OK. However reading the Oklahoma self defense act I do not see hospitals listed. Am I reading it right that hospitals are open to carry if not posted?

Depends if its a state ran hospital. Not entirely sure myself. I would imagine the VA would be off limits.

I know I have carried in hospitals but the only 2 hospitals I have been in since license was a Catholic Hospital and a Women's Hospital.

As far as signage, I dont think OK has any regulation on the signs. Either a gun buster, or simple text "No Weapons" are allowed for private property.

 

[Rod Snell]

I would imagine the VA would be off limits.

Yes, and prominently posted.
They won't just ask you to leave, either.

 

[willnotgoquietly]

I was also interested in CCW at the ZOO? Is it a City Owned property doing business with the public?

Also, Parks are now open for CCW, but the park buildings are not. I guess we have to pee in the woods since the bathroom is in the building?