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Hooligan

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This is my rant, and I am fuming. Yes, it is very sad that a lunatic went on a rampage, if that is truly what happened. I feel great sympathy for the ones left to deal with the grief. That being said, I do not believe the gun culture has any blame in this tragedy. Going after honest, lawful gun owners is not an answer. The firearms purportedly used were not legally obtained by the shooter. They were stolen and used to murder their owner who, as far as I can tell, legally bought them. This being the first of his many capital crimes. Granted the firearms should have been secured, but the firearms have zero culpability. A firearm can be a dangerous tool, but a tool nonetheless. Should we ban airplanes because they can and have been used as weapons of mass murder? Do we register hammers because they can and have been used for murder? Maybe we should just take the nails and place them in a locked cabinet and do background checks before we sell them to the Romans again . That should do it right?!? My point is we have gun laws in place that this administration finds itself unwilling to enforce, remember fast and furious. How many people have and will die due to our peace loving government allowing; to use their phrase; "weapons of war" to be sold directly to bad individuals. More than 2,500 arms were sold in fast and furious and not just anti-personnel weapons but anti-tank/aircraft weapons, which is what the .50 Cal round was designed for. To purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer we have to fill out a form 4473 and that is not for weapons of war. For a weapon of war one must fill a form 4 with the ATF. Therefore unless the Bushmaster was capable of selective fire, short barreled, silenced or some other way modified it was a legally owned firearm, not a weapon of war. As far as high capacity clips go the only clip used in an AR-15 would be a stripper clip used to load the MAGAZINE not the rifle. Btw stripper clips hold ten rounds, not high capacity. Journalists need to do a bit a research before they pontificate on something they know little about. The 2nd amendment to the constitution grants us a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. When this was written had the People not been equally armed as the British we would not be The USA. Yes there is still a disparity of force, but at least at this point we have a fighting chance, and I believe that is what our founders and framers of the constitution wanted. I don't feel any better, but I will stop there.
 

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Holligan, welcome to the forum. Most of us here feel your frustration. There may not be anything we can do about the upcoming legislation but there are many constructive conversations happening on this forum. We come from different backgrounds, socially, economics and politics. We do,however, value our freedoms granted by the constitution. Stayed tuned in here for more solid info thatn what you can get from most of the media.
 

Hooligan

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dlbleak, Thanks for the welcome and sorry I didn't introduce myself before now. I have been hanging around for about a year and finally felt compelled to write, so I know there is some like minds and good info on this forum.
 
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Welcome from Coweta. I understand your rant and agree. Sadly it is an old story and gun control folks will not listen any more. Logical thinking folks know you can't control what you don't understand. Very unfortunately there are some over educated folks that think you can control what you can measure...well folks, we've all been measured for some time now. We are potentially more screwed than any of us completely understand. I simply do not understand why all schools don't have mag card ID entry systems for teachers and other employees. No card, no entry. And have armed guards in every school.
 

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A ban of future manufacturing and sales and is one thing, but a retro active ban on all of it will bring very unfortunate circumstances for America. The US gun owning public will not go out like Australia did a few years with a buy back program or an obligatory turn in. This could get very bloody to say the least. Will the media give as much press coverage to the families who are slain for refusing to turn in their guns as they did for all those killed in school shootings. I doubt it.
 

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I agree with your rant . I agree so much I sent an email to Kelly Ogle at news9 just moments before reading your post. The following is what I sent him.
I would first of all like to thank you for your reporting. I have followed you for many years. But I have lately found discourse with your My 2 cents and your reporting as well as the media in general. Media have stated they want to make a difference in light of recent tragedies. But instead I feel you have made people paranoid and have attacked lawful citizens with your reporting. People keep saying guns kill people. But yet they forget about other tragedies. When a drunk driver kills people there are no screams to ban cars or when a knife is used in a murder again no crying out to ban a knife. Car's, knives and guns are not living objects. They are tools it is the person behind the tool that is a problem. Bans do not work. Columbine happened under the last ban and it did not save those students. Almost all murders like these have happened in gun free zones or in areas where the owner of the business has refused to allow firearms in their establishments . I too as sickened and heart broken about what happened . I too am a parent of a child that attends public schools. But banning guns will not keep our kids safe . It will just put them in more danger. I know you will not share on the news or email me back but I want to thank you if you took time to read this.

David G.
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I hate it when I have typos but hard to type in the dark.
 

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