Family Says Moore Police Beat Father To Death

[Old Fart]

Man arrested in Moore died at hospital, not during struggle with officers

http://kfor.com/2014/02/27/police-r...t-hospital-not-during-struggle-with-officers/

At the end off the report.

According to the police report, officers sat up Luis after he was cuffed and called for a supervisor and paramedics.

They loaded Luis in the ambulance where he stopped breathing and rushed him to the hospital.

The report states Luis was “stabilized” at the hospital and sent for tests.

After the tests he stopped breathing again and died a short time later.

 

[Mr10mm]

Good questions...but take it farther and ask "In Oklahoma, does a law enforcement officer, in the process of investigating a crime, have the authority to detain a suspect who refuses to identify themselves?"

The lack of a "Stop and Identify" law that criminalizes a refusal to identify does not equal a lack of authority to detain an individual during the investigation of a crime. His refusal to identify himself, coupled with throwing an officer to the ground just aggravated an already confusing scene...IMHO.

What crime were they investigating?

 

[yukonjack]

Man arrested in Moore died at hospital, not during struggle with officers

http://kfor.com/2014/02/27/police-r...t-hospital-not-during-struggle-with-officers/

At the end off the report.

According to the police report, officers sat up Luis after he was cuffed and called for a supervisor and paramedics.

They loaded Luis in the ambulance where he stopped breathing and rushed him to the hospital.

The report states Luis was “stabilized” at the hospital and sent for tests.

After the tests he stopped breathing again and died a short time later.

From the video it's clear that he wasn't breathing when they set him up. Watch his chest and belly in the video. He ain't breathing.

 

[Shadowrider]

All this over a slap too. Let that be a lesson to all the parents out there.

I can see it another way too. Sometimes kids NEED a good slap, to their butt if young or in the case of an older one like this one to the face. We gripe about unruly and disrespectful kids meanwhile we criminalize their disciplining. In our being so wussyfied of a society it's now against the law. There was a time when we could get in an old fashioned fist fight and not have to worry about a criminal record following us around for the rest of our life. I think we've went a bit too far...

 

[shotty]

I wasn't there. The pile on continues.

 

[vvvvvvv]

Was it a defensive stance, aggressive stance, or "taking off" that started it? So far we have 3 different versions from MPD.

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[TedKennedy]

Was it a defensive stance, aggressive stance, or "taking off" that started it? So far we have 3 different versions from MPD.

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Doesn't matter. MPD had the authority to detain him. He resisted, and the point was made. Any other questions are irrelevant.

"All that matters is what a man can do, and what a man can't do"
Cap'n Jack Sparrow

 

[Brandi]

As a former LEO and an EMT, I'm looking at this from different POV's and wasn't going to post until seeing the video and reading the story. Ok, so family gets into a domestic at the movie theater. The mom is mad at daughter because she's not been behaving at home and primarily because the daughter lied to her, however, the daughter is nineteen years old, an adult which is battery. Dad see's mom hit adult daughter and tries to intervene, on who's behalf we don't know but we know he's now involved in the ruckus when police attempt to break it up. Police officer takes father's arm pulling him out of ruckus and attempts to handcuff the adult male involved, perfectly reasonable. Father tries get out of being handcuffed by pulling his arm away and thus starting the resisting and both go to the ground. Police officer trying to handcuff the father, father trying not to be handcuffed, we all know how that plays out. So far everything is pretty much textbook and the only person in the wrong is the father who is resisting being handcuffed.

So the father is on the ground resisting the officer who is trying to handcuff him and several other officers go to help get the father handcuffed. Obviously all the people complaining about several officers holding the guy down have never tried to handcuff someone who is resisting, it is extremely hard to do. In fact, much of the anti-police stuff I've read on here is because they never have done any of the stuff they are commenting on as fact. The officers weren't excessively winded, I watched that video several times and they looked like every other situation when multiple officers have had to cuff someone resisting. All these people saying the guy is obviously dead laying on the ground have no idea what they are talking about. The guy is laying there still and uncombative because they finally got him cuffed. Happens the same way every time, once they are cuffed they give up and just lay there.

There's no indication at all that he's having any medical issues at this point. They sit the guy up and support him because he's exhausted from resisting. The wife is going off about him being dead and is told he's ok and she's ok. At this point the ambulance has showed up and they are loading him onto the gurney and she starts asking if he's dead over and over again. There's a medic doing his primary assessment and say's he's breathing and continues his assessment and wife is calm. It's obvious to anyone who actually has real life experience that this whole thing was handled completely by the book. The father resisted being handcuffed and that exertion combined with being an older guy with not so great health caused a heart attack or whichever the cause of death was during his transport to the hospital.

The wife initially claimed the video would show that police acted inappropriately and caused the death of her husband. However, once the video was actually seen, it showed that police did exactly what they were supposed to do and her attorney went into damage control and tried to keep the video from being seen and his client discredited. So, the wife committed a crime by hitting her adult daughter (for misbehaving at home and lying...definitely a little dysfunction in that family) and dad steps into break it up? Nobody knows, but is seen involved in the fray so when the police/security arrive they see the fight going on and try to remove the father (as they should). Had he complied and not fought the police, they would have been able to investigate what was happening, release the dad and handcuff the mom and take her to jail. Instead dad decides he doesn't have to comply with police and his resistance combined with medical issues resulted in him having a heart attack or similar issue that was fatal. No police brutality, no beat down, no dead guy propping, no nothing except one dad caught in the middle of a fight between his wife and adult daughter who should have complied when he was removed from the fray and didn't, instead choosing to fight the police, which ultimately, when combined with apparently unknown health issues, caused his death. Meanwhile mom, who was the actual offender here tries to make it look like it was the police's fault when in actuality, it was all her fault. It's sad but it's not a case of police brutality.

 

[vvvvvvv]

Doesn't matter. MPD had the authority to detain him. He resisted, and the point was made. Any other questions are irrelevant.

Arguably not.

With the inconsistencies in the stories given by MPD, how should we know which parts of which of their stories are true?

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[tran]

If it took that many officers to detain him they need to go back and redo "Force Control Training" because it appears they didn't learn **** the first time.