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About standards being lowered, American kids being way down the list in intelligence on a world scale, etc- has it occurred to anyone that kids these days just might be stupid?

The generation before you thought you were stupid. The generation before them thought they were stupid...

The more things change, the more they stay the same lol.

 

[nofearfactor]

The generation before you thought you were stupid. The generation before them thought they were stupid...

The more things change, the more they stay the same lol.

Yepp, hahaaaahaaaa...

 

[Rust Shackleford]

About standards being lowered, American kids being way down the list in intelligence on a world scale, etc- has it occurred to anyone that kids these days just might be stupid?

I have found in my years of education that "kids these days" are every bit as intelligent as any other time in history.

The objectives that I teach daily (Oklahoma Academic Standards) are most certainly more difficult than what was taught at the same grade level in years past.

 

[MacFromOK]

The objectives that I teach daily (Oklahoma Academic Standards) are most certainly more difficult than what was taught at the same grade level in years past.

Objectives and results are very different things.

I don't doubt kids are smart as ever. However, I do doubt some try very hard when there are no repercussions for a lack of effort.

Discipline is a cornerstone for raising children. Unfortunately, that cornerstone has largely been removed. :/

 

[Uncle TK]

I have found in my years of education that "kids these days" are every bit as intelligent as any other time in history.

The objectives that I teach daily (Oklahoma Academic Standards) are most certainly more difficult than what was taught at the same grade level in years past.

Back in the good old days, Teachers taught the complete text book. Students learned a lot more that the OAS.

Memory Road. 1962 - 1966 Taft (7th & 8th grade) had over 400 students in each Science Class (Held in Auditorium)
NWC High School had over 400 students in each History class (Most of the other OKCPS were same)

 

[Rust Shackleford]

Objectives and results are very different things.

I don't doubt kids are smart as ever. However, I do doubt some try very hard when there are no repercussions for a lack of effort.

Discipline is a cornerstone for raising children. Unfortunately, that cornerstone has largely been removed. :/

If there are no repercussions, and no discipline does that make the kids less intelligent or the adults?

 

[Rust Shackleford]

Back in the good old days, Teachers taught the complete text book. Students learned a lot more that the OAS.

Memory Road. 1962 - 1966 Taft (7th & 8th grade) had over 400 students in each Science Class (Held in Auditorium)
NWC High School had over 400 students in each History class (Most of the other OKCPS were same)

I'd love to here more on this. When it comes to math I'm familiar with what is taught at the middle school (6th-8th) level today and in the 90's, but certainly not as knowledgeable regarding what was taught in the 60's. Can you be more specific as to what was taught in the 6th-8th grade in those days that is not taught today?

 

[D. Hargrove]

Can you be more specific as to what was taught in the 6th-8th grade in those days that is not taught today?

 

[Billybob]

Out perform us based on what assessment? The international exams do not reflect what news stories claim because very different pools of students are being tested. And, again the teachers teaching those students do not have accept EVERY child into their education environment.

I've known many teachers and graduates of Stroud schools. From what I can see from the outside, it is an outstanding school system.


Yes, the school environment and the environment that students go home to both have a very critical impact on a students education. One reason I often disagree with many of the school reform proposals and top down curriculum and classroom management is education cannot be implemented effectively with cookie cutter approaches. What works in OKC may not work at all in Stroud and vise versa. The evidence has always indicated that students from "small" schools usually out perform students from large urban schools. That is why many of the large districts have incorporated the "School within a School" approach that divides the large schools into smaller somewhat independent settings.

If the international exams don't reflect accurately then why do we participate in them?
The comparisons are with other developed nations, explain the difference in Pools of students being tested.
What students are not accepted in other countries schools?

It seems TPS and OKC are where we hear the most problems from rather than rural schools, maybe it's a cultural thing?

 

[Billybob]

It's interesting that you mention Stroud schools @Billybob.

I heard a state legislator Sunday on Flashpoint from there, talking about how great Stroud schools were because of all the oil money in their district.

So the have the 7% GPT in Stroud? After all that's what we keep hearing it'll take to properly fund schools. Also if the difference in funding is due to local issues is this really about failing urban systems wanting the rest of the state to bail them out?