They can make it illegal like everything else. Still our country is flooded with it. Good luck.
Well sure they can. And who wants a nutjob to have access to pistol-braced AR-47s and body armor?
More proof you are looking at this from a superficial and uninformed point of view. I get it though. Someone took your handicap parking spot and you've gone full Karen on the world. But let's stop acting like a scorned ex for a moment. You're missing some important points defined by the letter from Barnes in 2017 that Shadowrider posted. Namely, the use of the firearm doesn't reclassify it. I'll say that again for the emotionally distraught. Per the ATF..... "We do not classify a weapons based on how an individual uses a weapon."
So that blows all your BS out of the water.
Full letter.
Actually, I just follow the law and the rules and decisions set forth by the ATF. I get a little upset when they wake up on a monday and make an accessory illegal due to political reasons.
Either way, I dare you to go back and read them, I know you won't admit your ignorance, most FUDDs are too stubborn, but the facts and reality of what happened with braces just aren't in your favor.
Is someone really Pro 2A if push come to shove, they regurgitate the same BS talking points, ignore the facts, and relay strawman arguments we hear from the left? I didn't call you a commie, but it's obvious you can't trust the FUDDs to hop in the foxholes against the left when they want to erode our rights.
I agree with everyone here that though the ATF is tasked with enforcing gun laws passed by Congress (through the DOJ or DHS) the ATF itself has no authority to make laws (regulations).
- The problem with challenging those [technically illegal] regulations that the ATF claims as their own, is that even if those regulations are actually unenforceable, gun owners have been groomed over the years to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if they violate any of them.
- That is why I posted the picture of the horse tied to the lone plastic chair . . . to illustrate that even though the horse could have easily walked off dragging the chair with it, it believes that it cannot.
I've looked but could not find even a single case where a gun-owner was actually convicted of an ATF emplaced firearm regulation on its' own merit. Every conviction I found listed the ATF violation as an ADD-ON to another, more important or higher-level [usually] non-gun related crime.
- For example, someone may have had an unregistered sawed-off shotgun (SBS) in their possession but the conviction will be for the crime of . . . bank-robbery or possession of a firearm by a felon, with the unregistered NFA item being listed an ADD-ON 'crime', because technically speaking, it is not actually illegal by itself to possess an unregistered SBS or SBR. The ATF just wants you to believe it is.
The real challenge, unfortunately, would be to take any of the ATF 'regulations' up through the courts because our legal system these days will almost ALWAYS side with .gov even if the 'regulation' being challenged is actually illegal, and though .gov may not be able to convict on the illegal 'regulation' that was violated, they will always find something else. Al Capone was finally convicted on tax-evasion because prosecutors couldn't find anything else to stick.
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I would like to believe that, as with most people on OSA, you actually do understand what's going on, but I don't know, maybe you're just looking to argue about something - but I'll direct you to my post at #235 instead which explains what it's all about again, rather than playing your little lets have another 'endless debate game'.
- The 9-year old letter you posted from the ATF has absolutely nothing to do with what was being talked about. Yes, an SBR is still an SBR regardless of whom is using it. Yes, an arm-brace is still an arm-brace regardless of whom is using one - but that is not what it was about.
- It boils down to some SBR owners wanting to be exempted from the tax-stamp and registration requirement (reserved for paraplegics) which they were not entitled to have, then cheating the system with work-a-rounds to get there (i.e. shoulder-braced 'arm-braces'). Then, when the ATF said 'nope, ain't gonna happen because . . . ', those same SBR owners started blaming (as usual) the ATF, the DOJ, the .gov, the President, everyone except those that were actually responsible for trying to get something they were not entitled to - themselves.
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Unfortunately, that's not what I've seen. Ask Randy Weaver. Having a SBS and selling to an ATF informant is what started the whole mess with him and his family.
What you're saying does happen quite frequently. But the ATF also prosecutes for the "rule" violations as well. Isn't that what happened to the two guys in the key card case? They were just selling metal cards with parts drawings on them.
The ATF is out of control and needs to be stopped.
It really doesn't matter if I have a grasp on it or not to be honest, everything I've mentioned is right there for everyone to see, with regards to what the ATF has said. Pretty sure I have good understanding of that for sure, but in the end, doesn't change the facts of the matter.
No, quite honestly I'm just calling a spade a spade and not letting you backpeddle and talk about strawman arguments. Sick and tired of supposed 2A supporters placing blame on.... 2A supporters.
Sure it does lol. You're being obtuse.
And a pistol with a brace, is a pistol with a brace regardless of HOW it's used and yes, this is what it's all about.
Actually, the ATF said, go ahead fellas...... this doesn't change the classification. I know you want to ignore that because it blows your fuddlore out of the water but that's the reality of the situation.
Notice you said...... "for trying to get something they were not entitled to"....... yeah.... don't act like you're in the same foxhole as real 2A supporters. Whether or not you believe they were entitled to it....... it was completely legal.
So I'll say to you what Trump said to Hillary when she was whining about him taking tax breaks. If you don't like it?..... Change the law.
Like said the other day some people around here would argue with a fence post over nothing just to hear their head rattle.
The atf is an out of control rouge agency that needs to be ***** slapped back into compliance or completely disbanded.
The 2nd Amendment says it very clearly SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Now that I’ve cleared all that up for you some of you little red headed step children need to go get your adult supervision and give them back their cell phone
FLAME AWAY IDGAF
The atf is an out of control rouge agency that needs to be ***** slapped back into compliance or completely disbanded.
The 2nd Amendment says it very clearly SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Now that I’ve cleared all that up for you some of you little red headed step children need to go get your adult supervision and give them back their cell phone
FLAME AWAY IDGAF
I have a suspicious feeling that AR 47’s are going to be a thing someday just like exhaust fluid….
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