And the laws creating gun free zones.
And the laws creating gun free zones.
*sigh* I thought about pointing out your projection, but pulling your strings and watching you dance is getting boring.
Is it? Yet you keep coming back...
He has to have the last word...and he's a Dr. so hes better than us lol.
THE REAL ASSAULT WEAPON
You would think he could be a little more rational and objective. It's like arguing with a liberal about, well, pretty much anything. Shouting "you're wrong" and hurling insults doesn't make for a very convincing argument.
And yet you keep doing it.
Some of you are proving the point that not everyone should have access to firearms.
Your opinion might have a basis in theory, but not much in fact. The U.S. health system has been in shambles on "mental health" for decades. There is no cohesive plan or practice for mental health as a "system", so you have to make do with what we have, or do without. If the health industry professionals can't change this fact, any concerns we have as non health industry persons is unlikely to change anything.
Doc is correct on something though, what little mental health treatment we have probably prevents far more crisis than it enables. Can you tell us what percentage of patients on SSRI's or other treatment methods do not commit mass murder, as opposed to those who do? What percentage of serial killers were on SSRI's or other treatment methods versus those who weren't?
Long story short, should we throw the baby out with the bathwater because of a correlation? You're never going to get a 100% drug or method, so what do you propose to do instead?
IMO, we don't have a gun problem or an entirely mental health problem. More than anything we have a cultural problem bordering on crisis.
I can provide an anecdotal example. There's an industry that I won't identify, which is federally regulated from a security standpoint. They have their own national "hotline" to report suspicious, unusual or criminal activity. A local company had such an incident and used the hotline number to make a report. But they didn't stop there. They reported it to a local FBI/JTTF agent who had done personal outreach with the company in the past. Knowing this had a component relevant to my office, said agent called us and we worked the case together (this one didn't lead anywhere significant and we closed it out with no further federal scrutiny, which happens in most cases). Two weeks later the agent had the "hotline" request dropped on his desk for action.
Long story short, personal relationships matter, a lot. If I go into an event cold with no established POC's, it takes a lot longer to establish trust, develop a baseline and know I'm getting all the relevant information to formulate a correct plan of action. But the federal government is relatively small in contrast to local assets, and there's no way to ever have a tie-in at every conceivable point on the compass. The best we can do is rely on the systems in place, talk to as many people as we can and constantly make improvements when deficiencies are exposed.
What's infuriating is when it comes to light that there's nothing wrong with the systems and measures in place, and the problem is a failure to follow SOP's. THAT, saddens and pisses me off to no end. That's what we have here on both the federal and local level, and it didn't have to be such an epic failure at all.
So I'm not stating my opinion is fact. All I have said is that there appears to be a correlation that could stand a little scrutiny.
I disagree wholeheartedly that the only options are to accept things as they are, or throw them out entirely (or do nothing).
I suspect there is a linkage between the cultural problem and the mental health problem, and that it's very complex.
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