Florida school shooting

[Go_Ordnance]

Correlation does not imply causation. blah blah blah...

Ferchrissakes, do you even read what people post? or do you just make it up and reply to what you want them to be saying?

Correlation can imply causation, which is why you examine, investigate, test, etc... Correlation is what prompts you to test for causation. You're confusing that with "correlation doesn't equal causation", which is to say that correlation alone is not conclusive.

I'm not saying there's causation. I'm saying there's enough prima facie correlation to warrant investigation. Is that really that hard to understand?

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

I think you're overanalyzing it. They're not choosing gun-free zones, choosing victims to draw maximum emotion, they're choosing a setting and victims prominent in their lives. When adults go on a shooting spree, they often do it at their workplaces, and for precisely the same reasons. Others do it at churches or other venues, by whom they feel somehow wronged (even if the "wrong" is merely existence, as with some of the racial shootings). The Las Vegas shooting, I'll grant that it was a careful, deliberate selection, but that's not typical; the school shooters are generally shooting up their own schools. If they wanted maximum impact, they'd be going to elementary schools (Adam Lanza notwithstanding, but again, he's the exception, not the rule).

Most of it does occur in gun-free zones. Those who have grudges against people in non-gun-free zones must do something else because there is a definite preponderance for such killings to be committed in gun-free zones.

Woody

 

[tRidiot]

Ferchrissakes, do you even read what people post? or do you just make it up and reply to what you want them to be saying?

Correlation can imply causation, which is why you examine, investigate, test, etc... Correlation is what prompts you to test for causation. You're confusing that with "correlation doesn't equal causation", which is to say that correlation alone is not conclusive.

I'm not saying there's causation. I'm saying there's enough prima facie correlation to warrant investigation. Is that really that hard to understand?

There's been so many studies done already, you couldn't set foot in your house if you printed them all out. But you are obviously smarter and more aware and more dedicated and more capable than all those tens of thousands of career scientists and researchers working on it. lol You've found "the missing link", "the smoking gun". Such groundbreaking revelations you've come up with - wow, f***ing crazy nutbags were on psych meds! What a headliner! lol

 

[TerryMiller]

Most of it does occur in gun-free zones. Those who have grudges against people in non-gun-free zones must do something else because there is a definite preponderance for such killings to be committed in gun-free zones.

Woody

In one case, the Aurora theater shooting, that nutjob passed up 2 or 3 other theaters showing the same movie. He picked the one that had a gun-free policy. My understanding was that the others didn't.

 

[Go_Ordnance]

There's been so many studies done already, you couldn't set foot in your house if you printed them all out. But you are obviously smarter and more aware and more dedicated and more capable than all those tens of thousands of career scientists and researchers working on it. lol You've found "the missing link", "the smoking gun". Such groundbreaking revelations you've come up with - wow, f***ing crazy nutbags were on psych meds! What a headliner! lol

Don't know why you're getting all butt hurt, other than you want to pretend to be the expert with the final word, when you and I both know you're not. Misrepresenting my posts and hurling insults doesn't make you more right. It just makes you look more desperate to "win".

Here's the thing. Anti-depressants, anti-anxiety and similar drugs can be (and are) prescribed by all sorts of "health professionals" that have no background or training in mental health. Physician's Assistants, Nurse Practitioners and even MD's have no business dabbling with psychotropics.

 

[Dave70968]

Most of it does occur in gun-free zones. Those who have grudges against people in non-gun-free zones must do something else because there is a definite preponderance for such killings to be committed in gun-free zones.

Woody

I think we're talking past each other. Yes, they happen in gun-free zones, but I think that's more coincidence than deliberate intent. Kids shoot up schools because that's the center of their lives; coincidentally, they're also gun-free zones.

 

[RugersGR8]

Recap of the fails:

Since the FBI didn't act on the tip on Cruz back in Sept.(FAIL), since the US Air Forc(FAIL), e & NICS(FAIL), didn't keep the gun out of the hands of the TX shooter Devin Kelly(FAIL), since gun free zones(FAIL) don't work, since all the other anti-gun legislation that is FUBAR/SNAFU(FAIL(s)), etc., lets infringe(FAIL) on and take away all the 2nd Amendment Rights of law abiding citizens(FAIL(s)).

Wray needs to resign on this debacle(FAIL). We've had case after case where the FBI has dropped the ball(FAIL(s)). Time to hold some people accountable.

Not just the FBI(FAIL), but law enforcement in general(FAIL). To wit: Sandy Hook(FAIL).

So after all these FAIL(s)) the lib dems drag out their "gun legislation lexicon" of trite, hackneyed, stereotyped catch words/phrases such as “COMMON SENSE”, "BALANCED", REASONABLE", "GOOD FIRST STEP", ETC. and then proceed to spread their Bravo Sierra propaganda by telling us that only they can "fix" things by taking away our guns and gun rights?

 

[RugersGR8]

Voila:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...ound-msm-target-nra-parkland-school-massacre/
Nolte: Catastrophic Law Enforcement Failures Abound as MSM Target NRA for Parkland School Massacre
by JOHN NOLTE 16 Feb 2018

 

[OKCHunter]

Recap of the fails:









So after all these FAIL(s)) the lib dems drag out their "gun legislation lexicon" of trite, hackneyed, stereotyped catch words/phrases such as “COMMON SENSE”, "BALANCED", REASONABLE", "GOOD FIRST STEP", ETC. and then proceed to spread their Bravo Sierra propaganda by telling us that only they can "fix" things by taking away our guns and gun rights?

You forgot to mention the failure of Fast and Furious.

 

[dennishoddy]

Mass school shootings are a relatively new thing, where gun ownership has been a cultural constant since the founding of the country. People with mental illness have also been a constant. If the problem is that the meds didn't make enough difference to help, we should see more of these type of events over the past 100 years or more. We don't though.

The changes to the DSM III in the 80's (and subsequent revisions) introduced a litany of "disorders", and the drug companies were quick to respond.

The side effects of SSRI's, which include: mood or behavior changes, confusion, anxiety, panic attacks, hallucinations, extreme fear, impulsive behavior, agitation, aggressiveness, hostility, thoughts about suicide, etc... don't manifest themselves in everyone, which is why 100% of people on medications don't go around committing atrocities. There appears to be correlation that it does cause some people to. Why wouldn't we look there, instead of dismissing it since it doesn't affect 100%? Psychotropic drugs are certainly due a look, to see what (if any) involvement they play in these types of events.

I believe we over diagnose all sorts of made up "disorders", and write a prescription. Just looking at ADHD, we diagnose around 9% of American children (mainly boys) with it, where France has around .5%. They also don't treat it (or other problems in kids) with drugs. Strangely, they also don't have a rash of mass school shootings. Link: Why French kids don't have ADHD

I don't have enough medical/psychological background to offer a reasoned response, but between you and TRidiot, there are some serious issues that need to be considered.