Florida school shooting

[Billybob]

Into the why-does-this-happen box I'd like to add the decline of rural culture, and increase in urban culture.
More kids used to be exposed to the circle of life and death as seen in nature, now it seems the urban snowflakes just whine at the slightest thing, not having any grasp of the existence of violence in life.

Parents are afraid to tell them the truth; that there are people that will, for no reason you will ever understand, try to hurt or kill you and people you care about.
Be prepared.

When the subject of rural v. urban culture comes up I can't help but think of the rat utopia experiments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/

 

[Billybob]

Of course, the Women's March would be behind that, but really? A walkout of less than 20 minutes?

I'm not so sure that most of the students are against firearms. I would guess that even at that age, they are more interested in owning a gun as opposed to banning them.

But, what do I know. I'm an old Fuddy-Duddy.

20 min. is enough to generate some really good media stuff but short enough for the schools to avoid being accused of allowing the disrupting of education to allow political activism.

 

[Billybob]

Interesting this was revealed, here getting DHS reports takes a judge doing it and even then med/psych stuff is still not revealed because of HIPPA.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagel...cle_1ab512c1-2cbd-57c7-afcd-a436b832ef4e.html

 

[CorpsVet]

Students are probably more interested in just getting out of class rather than any agenda

 

[Fredkrueger100]

Students are probably more interested in just getting out of class rather than any agenda

This and I’m sure some are looking for 15 minutes of fame. These kids have no clue what they are even saying. I know this. My son won’t be joining in on the walkout if it happens here. And neither will my niece.

 

[Billybob]

I have to disagree.
Trump has already said we should address the mental health issues. He never mentioned any gun restrictions.

Trump said long ago(before campaigning) that he favored an assault weapons ban. The theoretical question becomes this; If Congress shoves him a ban will he sign it thinking he wouldn't lose many from his base because they don't have anywhere else to go and he could possibly gain support for showing he's willing to comprise on such an important issue?

 

[Billybob]

Aside from the opinions about psych meds if the psych community was all in step would there have been so much controversy over changing diagnoses in the DSM-5? And if diagnoses can change due to research(and maybe who's funding it?) could there come a time when the want/need to own more than one gun for personal defense could be diagnosed as a severe anxiety disorder? And since so many shooters have been in treatment does it indicate that the threshold for mental illness firearms ownership needs to be lowered? If we can't predict which people with mental illness could end up being shooters should more of them in general be prohibited from firearm ownership?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/healt...ut-changes-in-revised-dsm-guidebook-1.1282954

 

[rlongnt]

"Psychiatrists have, for hundreds of years used diagnostic terms, so-called diagnostic terms to stigmatize and control people. I will only give you a few dramatic examples. When black slaves in the south ran away to freedom, it wasn't that they wanted to be free; they suffered from a disease called drapetomania, from drapetes, runaway slave, and mania. I'm not making this up. This was a legitimate diagnosis just like Attention Deficit Disorder is. Women, half the population of mankind, of course, if they were foolish enough to rebel against domination by man, well, then they had a serious disease called hysteria which was due to their wandering womb. Now none of those behaviors was ever a disease and of course, is not a disease. Nor is Attention Deficit Disorder a disease. No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease. That's not what diseases are!" (Thomas Szasz)

 

[MacFromOK]

The US has always had crazy folks and firearms (repeating weapons since the mid-1800s). We have NOT always had school (or other mass) shootings.

If I had to hang my hat on one reason above all others, it would be social media. Most kids (and some adults) go nuts when there's no repercussions for their actions. Plus, it has practically eliminated social interaction with others, and desensitizes kids to weird/tragic stuff they'd never (or rarely) encounter in real life.

Not an expert. Just my two cents.

 

[Billybob]

"Psychiatrists have, for hundreds of years used diagnostic terms, so-called diagnostic terms to stigmatize and control people. I will only give you a few dramatic examples. When black slaves in the south ran away to freedom, it wasn't that they wanted to be free; they suffered from a disease called drapetomania, from drapetes, runaway slave, and mania. I'm not making this up. This was a legitimate diagnosis just like Attention Deficit Disorder is. Women, half the population of mankind, of course, if they were foolish enough to rebel against domination by man, well, then they had a serious disease called hysteria which was due to their wandering womb. Now none of those behaviors was ever a disease and of course, is not a disease. Nor is Attention Deficit Disorder a disease. No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease. That's not what diseases are!" (Thomas Szasz)

I'd heard about the hysteria but not the other one. Weren't the Soviets known to use psych to deal with dissenters?