HB 3354 - Open Carry

[mr ed]

On 5/4/10 it was recalled to the legislature for reconsideration.
This means unless everybody calls their legislator and lights a fire under their butts. It will sit there until they adjorn.

 

[vvvvvvv]

With all due respect, I would encourage anyone writing to a politician or public official to carefully proofread their work first. Gun owners are already labeled as ignorant rednecks, especially by the left. We should go out of our way not to give any credence to the stereotype with our communications. Using proper grammar, punctuation, etc. is vital if you want to be taken seriously.

While I have no desire to open carry, I support the bill. I would be shocked if Henry supports it but I'm sure there is a way to get it done without him.

Local(up to state level) politicians don't look at your writing skills,They don't care whether you're a "dumb redneck".They look at you as a "voter" who is passionate enough about an issue to write.A state legislator once told me if he got 10 letters about an issue,he knew it was important to his constituents.So much for all the people who say they are going to write their reps. Steve

I finally got something back from my Rep a while back, and I must say that his email skills line up pretty good with most of the one's I've ever gotten back.... an English major's nightmare. But I like it, though. It at least appears that the Rep is writing and not some staffer.

this better pass. I've already bought my blackhawk serpa for my xd9sc. Its not a very good concealment holster.

It's not a really good holster, period. I've heard of AD's due to where your finger is after pressing the release, and I seem to remember something about someone's gun getting stuck once in one.

 

[vvvvvvv]

After doing some reading from the Journals, he only served notice of intent to motion to reconsider.

Under House Rule 9.10a, a Member must serve notice of motion to reconsider immediately after the Third or Fourth Reading vote, but a motion to reconsider may not be made on the same day without a vote to suspend the rule (which there wasn't).

Under 9.10b, they have until Monday (three legislative days) to vote on the motion to reconsider by simple majority. On Wednesday and Thursday, only the Member who served notice can make the motion to reconsider, but Monday anyone can (9.10c).

If they don't make the motion or they make the motion and the vote fails on Monday, then under 6.8(a)(4) it is considered passed.

Oklahoma House Rules (PDF)

ETA: By the way, if anyone was wary about McCullough's position with him not being present, the May 5 Journal has this entry:

Representative McCullough asked that the Journal reflect that had he been present in
the Chamber on Tuesday, May 4, he would have voted aye on HB 3354, which was the
order.

 

[dieseltech09]

Under 9.10b, they have until Monday (three legislative days) to vote on the motion to reconsider by simple majority. On Wednesday and Thursday, only the Member who served notice can make the motion to reconsider, but Monday anyone can (9.10c).

If they don't make the motion or they make the motion and the vote fails on Monday, then under 6.8(a)(4) it is considered passed.

So basicly it will be Monday at the soonest before it leaves the house which means it will be Tuesday before it is given to the Gov. If this is the case he will have until the following Monday 17th to sign, Veto , or let it go with no action.

 

[vvvvvvv]

So basicly it will be Monday at the soonest before it leaves the house which means it will be Tuesday before it is given to the Gov. If this is the case he will have until the following Monday 17th to sign, Veto , or let it go with no action.

Basically, yes, a motion to reconsider is not effected the same way in the House as the ever-popular Robert's Rules of Order.

 

[jbarnett]

Thanks for the info Veggie.

 

[CHenry]

The bill is on his desk already. It's been reported by several sorces. He will have until Wed. to veto or it becomes law.

 

[vvvvvvv]

The bill is on his desk already. It's been reported by several sorces. He will have until Wed. to veto or it becomes law.

Those sources are likely flawed. My source is the House Journal and the House Rules. There has only been a NOTICE of motion to reconsider, not an actual MOTION. Under House rules referenced above, the House either has to reconsider the vote on Monday or let it go and THEN it can go to the Governor.

Just because the newspapers, radio and TV said it doesn't mean it is right. And just because your legislator says it doesn't mean its right. It's mindblowing how many of them don't understand procedures or don't know the status of a bill or are even confused about the legislative process.

Don't take any of the above personal. I believe my sources are more trustworthy considering the are legal authoritative sources.

 

[CHenry]

this doesn't sound promising.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20100508_16_A15_OKLAHO467687

 

[CHenry]

SUBJECT:* Urge Governor Henry to sign the open carry bill!
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You're receiving this email because you support the Petition for Open Carry in Oklahoma at http://www.petitiononline.com/oc4ok/petition.html.

Governor Henry appears to be wavering on whether to sign HB 3354 which would legalize open carry for those holding the Oklahoma license to conceal a handgun.* See
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=16&articleid=20100508_16_A15_OKLAHO467687

The Governor has been told that YOU, one of over 11,000 Oklahoma citizens who have signed the open carry petition,*might present*some sort of danger to our state law enforcement officers if you take your jacket off while lawfully carrying a properly holstered handgun.
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This hypothesis has no basis in fact - 43 states allow open carry, most without any need for a license, and no state has experienced threats to police officers by open carriers.* In fact, all rank and file police officers in the field know that the true threat to them comes from criminals concealing guns.
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Your IMMEDIATE action is need to help persuade Governor Henry to do the right thing and sign HB 3354 - URGENT - we literally only have hours or days to make this happen!
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ACTION ITEM:* Call AND email Governor Henry TODAY and*let him know we want this bill signed!
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1.* SUGGESTED PHONE MESSAGE - call (405) 521-2342 TODAY and leave a BRIEF voice mail or message with staff - example:* "Governor Henry, Please sign HB 3354 to make Oklahoma the 44th state to allow open carry.* My name is ____ and I live in ____ here in Oklahoma.* Thank you."

2.* SUGGESTED EMAIL MESSAGE - go to http://www.ok.gov/governor/message.php*TODAY and fill in your contact info.
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Suggested Topic:* Please sign Please sign HB 3354 to make Oklahoma the 44th state to allow open carry

Suggested message:
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Dear Governor Henry:
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Please sign HB 3354 to make Oklahoma the 44th state to allow open carry!
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Open carry is a valuable individual right and has not endangered police officers in the 44 states that allow it, including in America's great cities, from Atlanta, to Richmond, to Pittsburgh, to Toledo, to Seattle, and beyond.*
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In fact, police officers in Georgia have recently reported that open carry deterred a violent armed robbery.* See http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atla...8-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw
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Moreover, rank and file Oklahoma police officers in the field already know what a recent FBI study concluded - that even in open carry states, violent criminals always CONCEAL their guns and don't ever wear holsters.* See Anthony Pinizzotto, et al., Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation's Law Enforcement Officers, FBI (2006) (finding that violent criminals carefully "conceal" their guns and "eschew holsters"), summarized at http://www.forcesciencenews.com/home/detail.html?serial=62.
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As you know, in most states, no permit is required to open carry at age 18, see maps at http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html*& http://www.opencarry.org/age.html, and this usually includes both US citizens and legal resident aliens alike.
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But even after you sign HB 3354, Oklahoma will continue to have some of the most strict handgun carry controls in the United States because the bill only legalizes open carry for persons who are (1) US citizens, (2)*over 21 years of age, and, (3) also already holding the Oklahoma Conceal Carry Permit.* These are the same trustworthy Oklahomans*carrying handguns in public throughout Oklahoma every day.
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Over 11,000 Oklahomans have signed the open carry petition.* I join them in urging you to sign HB 3354.
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This issue is very important to me and many other people.* Please let me know what you are going to do.
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Sincerely,
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YOUR NAME