Martin's dad to speak to congress

[ch1966]

As you place the blame on one particular race.

You are absolutely correct about there being a disproportionate number of blacks in the prison population. No denying that. But why is that?
Looking at arrest statistics the breakdown is in the area of 70% white 30% black. But as you point out prison population breaks down to roughly 60% white and 40% black. So then why are more blacks going to prison?

I'm not trying to blame anyone as I believe there is plenty of that to go around. I was simply saying that its not about one group of people. Both sides of the argument need to accept some responsibility and make changes in order for things to be different.

Well, when I see one particular race voting 90+% for a black socialist I have to wonder.....

Are they voting out of racism, or do they favor the bondage that socialism affords?

You would think that a history of enslavement would make people wise up to a destructive agenda.

Why is it that the black people are in lockstep with the socialists, while other groups are more or less evenly divided?

Is there a something for nothing mentality that is in play here? Damn the consequences?

I would also argue that the economic freedom that white Americans have enjoyed through history sets them up for better representation in a court system. You may argue that it is a "class" thing. I would argue that it is the product of generations of hard work and production.

Socialists are painting it as "Capitalism is Racism". Someone needs to wake the black community up with the notion that "Capitalism is Freedom".

 

[ch1966]

Once again, I point out accountability & responsibility. At some point the blame game has to stop.

I agree. Out of all the black people I have talked with on the subject of GZ/TM, I have yet to find one who wasn't reluctant to place personal responsibility at the feet of Trayvon Martin for his own demise. They either fail to recognize, or make excuses for his criminal behavior.

 

[cjjtulsa]

Well, when I see one particular race voting 90+% for a black socialist I have to wonder.....

Are they voting out of racism, or do they favor the bondage that socialism affords?

They are voting out of solidarity, something many whites have been deprogrammed to resist by other Marxist whites. There's nothing really "racist" about it. As I've mentioned many times, human beings are at their base level tribal creatures, and will naturally gravitate towards those that most resemble themselves. There's nothing wrong with that, so long as people are allowed to coexist on their own terms. It's just that groups with certain agendas see it as a problem, and do their damndest to try and deprogram human nature into having people believe things that go against natural instinct. Only one demographic has really had this dogma jammed up their butts for the last 40 years, and it's easy to see that it's taken a pretty good hold.

Kudos to the black and Latino communities for being so cohesive, depsite problems within their groups that need to be addressed.....by them - not the government. It's time whites are allowed to feel that they too can form cohesive communities without being branded "racists", "supremesists", and "Nazis". If the Libs are going to preach "live and let live", and "coexist", then let people live and let live, and coexist. Quit trying to legislate racial harmony. It doesn't work.

 

[Dukester]

OK let me try to clear this up.
The trial should have been about SD. The events that created the situation and that led up to the altercation are try one sided. Since we can't know exactly what happened the question is "did GZ fear for his life and was he justified in drawing and firing his firearm". Jury decided and done. Outside the courtroom it took on a whole different other life. Too many people got involved and turned it into a soap box. Liberals, conservatives, blacks, whites, the media in general. As a result we have all these arguments about "those people", profiling, hate crime, etc. Without clearly knowing the events before the incident it's hard to say it was racially motivated. We can speculate but that gas given way to some pretty biased and borderline hate speech.

Personally, as I've stated before, I believe both parties entered into an avoidable situation and made some bad decisions. It resulted I'm a fight and I'm the end one of the was killed. There was no way this was going to end well - TM dies or GZ dies - either way a guilty verdict wasn't likely.

I bet so. It musta been hell carrying you piggyback.






lol jk

I haven't followed this as closely as most of you. I think it is a media rating frenzy designed to get ratings.

Here's what I believe: there is, indeed, a crises in the population of young Black men. They are routinely stereotyped and some, in a search for identity, embrace a negative stereotype because they see that as a way to gain respect. I agree with Obama that something should be done to save these kids from self-destructive behavior and to help them gain the skills, both technical and psychological, to break out of cycles of poverty and despair.

I think racism from any side should be called out. Doesn't matter if it's a White person saying "******," or a Black person saying, "cracker." We have to try to move to a point like Dr. King stated so long ago, wherein character is more important than skin color.

The only "ism" that we should embrace is Americanism, wherein ALL Americans, no matter their color or creed, strive to make our great land the strongest, safest, happiest, most productive nation on God's good earth.

I will say this: Nothing that I've read in this thread or any other thread has given me pause to rethink my outlook on the situation. thugz and punk azz kids are still just that and will continue to be treated as such until they decide to break out of the mold and become productive members of society.

Till that happens, they get the profile they deserve.

Well, when I see one particular race voting 90+% for a black socialist I have to wonder.....

Are they voting out of racism, or do they favor the bondage that socialism affords?

You would think that a history of enslavement would make people wise up to a destructive agenda.

Why is it that the black people are in lockstep with the socialists, while other groups are more or less evenly divided?

Is there a something for nothing mentality that is in play here? Damn the consequences?

I would also argue that the economic freedom that white Americans have enjoyed through history sets them up for better representation in a court system. You may argue that it is a "class" thing. I would argue that it is the product of generations of hard work and production.

Socialists are painting it as "Capitalism is Racism". Someone needs to wake the black community up with the notion that "Capitalism is Freedom".

It was pure racism. The proof of this is how every black person who was seen to be conservative was called a race traitor or worse. Herman Cain comes to mind.......

 

[ignerntbend]

I would also argue that the economic freedom that white Americans have enjoyed through history sets them up for better representation in a court system. You may argue that it is a "class" thing. I would argue that it is the product of generations of hard work and production.

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So history DOES matter? White people get better representation in the court system? White people get better representation due to generations of hard work?
I thought you believed that someone threw a switch in 1964 and we all instantly became equal.

If generations of "hard work" get you better representation, what do generations of slavery, peonage and Jim Crowe get you?

 

[_CY_]

I agree. Out of all the black people I have talked with on the subject of GZ/TM, I have yet to find one who wasn't reluctant to place personal responsibility at the feet of Trayvon Martin for his own demise. They either fail to recognize, or make excuses for his criminal behavior.

just because the state failed to prove murder 2 or manslaughter doesn't mean Zimmerman didn't get away with murder. just that the state failed in putting together evidence to meet the legal bar for a conviction.

just what criminal activity was Martin doing when Zimmerman decided to stalk him? the event that ended up with Z shooting M was entirely initiated by Z.

news flash .. above happens to be the view a LOT of Americans .. these MASS protests going on all over the country could very well threaten our 2A rights.

 

[ch1966]

So history DOES matter? White people get better representation in the court system? White people get better representation due to generations of hard work?
I thought you believed that someone threw a switch in 1964 and we all instantly became equal.

If generations of "hard work" get you better representation, what do generations of slavery, peonage and Jim Crowe get you?

I'm saying that a disproportionate amount on government welfare may very well equate to a disproportionate amount in prison.

There's plenty of white folks generationally on welfare that can't afford a good lawyer. I don't relieve them of personal responsibility either.

 

[aviator41]

As you place the blame on one particular race.

You are absolutely correct about there being a disproportionate number of blacks in the prison population. No denying that. But why is that?
Looking at arrest statistics the breakdown is in the area of 70% white 30% black. But as you point out prison population breaks down to roughly 60% white and 40% black. So then why are more blacks going to prison?

I'm not trying to blame anyone as I believe there is plenty of that to go around. I was simply saying that its not about one group of people. Both sides of the argument need to accept some responsibility and make changes in order for things to be different.

Here are the arrest statistics from 1980 to 2009 as published by the department of justice. There is no 70/30 breakdown. the TRUTH is that the prison population of any race is closely tied to arrest numbers in that race. These charts show a ratio of arrest per 100,000 members of the population - this was done to prevent skewing the numbers.

If you look at these numbers and STILL can't see problem, you are blind. I understand that these are arrests, not convictions - but the DOJ uses ARREST numbers for a reason - and it's not because they are racist.

for your reading pleasure, this is the document those stats are pulled from
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aus8009.pdf

 

[ch1966]

just what criminal activity was Martin doing when Zimmerman decided to stalk him?

Only idiots and trolls are using that approach these days.
There was never a case for stalking.

 

[TedKennedy]

Quit using facts!! Quit it ! It hurts my head!!!!