I would go a step further and say that Churches aren't Christianity. Christianity wasn't supposed to be a business.
I'm a firm believer any preacher making anything more than poverty income off his church will be first in the line for hell.
I would go a step further and say that Churches aren't Christianity. Christianity wasn't supposed to be a business.
I'm a firm believer any preacher making anything more than poverty income off his church will be first in the line for hell.
News flash, people everywhere care too much about what others think. IMO OK is the least influenced place I've ever lived.
Hear, hear - on both points.
I tend to think it has very little to do with the religiosity of the population here in OK. I DO think it is reflective of the fact that OK is about the easiest state in the Union to get a divorce in. No-fault, equitable distribution, etc.
That, and to riff on what GTG said, too many people are getting married that shouldn't. *shrug*
That, and to riff on what GTG said, too many people are getting married that shouldn't. *shrug*
1. Christianity is Faith or belief in Jesus Christ.
2. A Church is a congregation of people of like faith.
3. Christianity isn't a business, see #1 above.
4. Sounds like you might be there to see who comes in second.
I guess that depends on what you classify charity as. Anymore, it has to be ran as a business.
I don't agree with that, and I'm a part of a church where the clergy make little to nothing doing what they do.
At pretty much all of the churches that I have been to around Tulsa, 50% or more of what I heard was related to money. We need money for mission trips, for expansions, projects, to help this and that people, etc. Why would someone make an effort to go to church to hear people beg for money when they can just go to QuikTrip and get the same begging, and maybe a little bit of religion too. Begging for money with tons of overhead and driving a new luxury car isn't serving God, it's using him.
Because if the churches arent providing those services, you'll be funding more gov't programs via taxes. I'm not a big fan of "mission trips" to other countries, so I will agree on that. But the irrefutable issue is that some of these things that this money goes towards pays for very good things.
I can also understand the begging part. If it comprise a majority of the time that should be praise, worship and learning, then there is something wrong. *That* church's leader has lost touch with what it means to shepherd a flock. Im fortunate to attend a place where the offering plate is the only plea for money and maybe a short 1 minute discussion about where the money goes.
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