Veggie, you just lost your argument with that dumb analogy. Sometimes you come up with some very logical discussions; sometimes you don't.
Veggie, you just lost your argument with that dumb analogy. Sometimes you come up with some very logical discussions; sometimes you don't.
People need to meet an age requirement and pass an exam to drive, so why not the same to carry a gun in public?
I think 18 as a group is just too young to handle the responsibility. I'm not saying all or even 95% can't handle it but all it takes is a few immature, ignorant guys to really damage the public image of guns. I think we would have guys straight out if high school wearing cowboy hats and peacemakers and thugs with Glocks sticking out of their pants. It's not a good combination.
Sort of like that quote from Tombstone. "were not saying you can't own a gun, we're not saying you can't carry a gun. We are just saying you can't carry a gun in town .......... Unless you pass an exam"
I think 18 as a group is just too young to handle the responsibility. I'm not saying all or even 95% can't handle it but all it takes is a few immature, ignorant guys to really damage the public image of guns. I think we would have guys straight out if high school wearing cowboy hats and peacemakers and thugs with Glocks sticking out of their pants. It's not a good combination.
Sort of like that quote from Tombstone. "were not saying you can't own a gun, we're not saying you can't carry a gun. We are just saying you can't carry a gun in town .......... Unless you pass an exam"
What's dumb about that analogy? They are both tools that are capable of being used in a lethal fashion.
Do you have a Constitutionally protected right to drive on public roads? Is there an age limit to speak in a public forum? Why should there be an age limit on what tools you can bear?
No. No. I didn't say people couldn't bear guns, just underaged people openly in public. Do you think anyone should be able to carry a firearm in public regardless of age? What about mental conditions? The Constitution doesn't differentiate between sane and insane so should they be able to open carry in public too? Do you think carrying should be limited to handguns or should it be open to shotguns and rifles?
I train all the time on new tools and equipment to be proficient in their use. To be certified in the use of some of my tools I have to take a test and show that I am proficient with them. To drive a semi you have to pass a test beyond a standard drivers licence. Would you want anyone with a drivers licence hauling a hazmat load down the highway next to you? IMHO Its nothing more than common sense and safety to make sure those who are using things that could be dangerous to general public have the knowledge to do it safely. If you want to carry in public then lets make sure you have the ability to do it in a safe manor. Do you honestly think the average Joe walking down the street would train and understand his responsibility when he strap the gun on without any training requirements?
Trucking and motor vehicles are regulated as business and privilege ... They are subject to fees, taxes
The right to self defense shouldn't be.
Libertarian theory says carry the gun you want the way you want to
. Training is on the user.... If you get killed or get hurt... It's on you
All that aside... Good people are not the problem nor are guns in the states with open carry.
I really don't care if they hurt or kill themselves that would just be an adjustment to the gene pool. I just don't want to be down range of that person who has no idea what they are doing with that gun. But we are beating a dead horse here. Your point of view will not change and nether will mine. Thank god for the first amendment makes this all good. I respect everyones opinion on this subject just may not agree completely.
There should be no infringement of the right to keep or bear arms, as the second amendment clearly states.
What's wrong with people carrying rifles and shotguns? They do that in Switzerland all the time, in fact families go often to scheuetzenfests on weekends.
Rather than snip away at teh second amendment by saying you can carry this, but you can't carry that, and you need to pay so many hundred dollars to carry this, the more sensible approach may be to say:
people have the right to keep and bear arms. let's work as a society to make sure that right is exercised safely. With that end in mind, norms should develop of carrying guns safely in public, muzzle discipline, actions open, etc. If the action is closed ,the firearm may be considered loaded and then brandishing it around may be construed as a threat quite legitimately. Training should be provided in all public schools on how firearms should be carried and used.
The key is societal norms here, and education, NOT regulations whittling and snipping at the second amendment.
We can easily do this as a society. It will only make us freer.
In ancient Rome, when a slave was freed, he was given the ability to carry arms, and apparently given a ceremonial sword as a symbol.
Perhaps we need to stop thinking less like slaves and more like free people.
Just my 2 cents.
This is my first post, I appreciate this forum and the people here, I work in Ada and live about 12 miles east of Ada. Hunting, fishing, shooting, yep all that stuff, I enjoy doing. 
That's enough about me.
I have noticed that there is several new open carry bills, my question is why couldn't we use last years bill that bone head Henry vetoed? What I mean is there no way it could been brought up again? I will profess that I don't know at all how those type of things work. How long can the safety committee hold up a bill before it gets out? Sorry for all the questions, but you have to start somewhere. Thanks, Jack
That's enough about me.I have noticed that there is several new open carry bills, my question is why couldn't we use last years bill that bone head Henry vetoed? What I mean is there no way it could been brought up again? I will profess that I don't know at all how those type of things work. How long can the safety committee hold up a bill before it gets out? Sorry for all the questions, but you have to start somewhere. Thanks, Jack
