Ron Paul for President

[RickN]

But I thought you said he was mostly resonating with Democrats?

Nice try but we all know that there are a large number of people that will vote for anybody with an R or D after their names. Heck Obama could switch parties without changing anything else and still some Republicans would vote for him. And yes Paul gets much of his support from Dems trying to game the system, how do you think we ended up with McCain last time?

 

[Glocktogo]

Nice try but we all know that there are a large number of people that will vote for anybody with an R or D after their names. Heck Obama could switch parties without changing anything else and still some Republicans would vote for him. And yes Paul gets much of his support from Dems trying to game the system, how do you think we ended up with McCain last time?

I think we ended up with McCain because a bunch of Republicans don't comprehend the Republican party principles. Just like a majority of Americans couldn't pass a citizenship test, I'd bet that most Republicans couldn't name their party principles. As a matter of fact, I don't appear to match up very well as a Republican these days, because it's morphed into some bizzaro version of its former self. I'm sad and frustrated and angry over this development.

A great number of Republicans only care which candidate can beat the Democrat candidate as well. That marginalizes the party as nothing more than an alternative to liberalism, when it can be so much more. By only allowing quality candidates to advance to the general elections, the Republican party can hold itself out as an example of what the country can be under the principles of the party.


In MY Republican party, elected officials would revere and use the Constitution as the primary guide to quality legislation, not use it as a pulpit with one hand and wipe their ass with it using the other.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would champion civil rights for everyone, regardless of their race, creed or nationality.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would focus on good governance, not legislating morals. That's what churches and communities are for.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would practice sound fiscal policy, not promote corporate welfare.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would promote opportunity for individuals, rather than stifling competition for major donors.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would not consider corporations "people" or pizza a "vegetable", because those ideals are outside the purview of good governance. They would not legislate baseball or any other sport either.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would have a foreign policy that focused on balanced trade and respect for other cultures, rather than using diplomacy and interventionism as leverage against other nations.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would support our international allies, but with strict stipulations on their conduct and our military assistance. That policy would not waver based on whim or expediency.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would support our troops at home as well as abroad, and with more than just lip service.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would support the sacrifice of our military service members, by refusing to entangle us in expeditionary pursuits in support of "democracy" and selfish or expedient interests. Post conflict "police actions" would be forever barred.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would practice ethical treatment of others, rather than condemning them for their differences.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would promote charity in the community through their words, wallets and deeds, rather than condemning all social programs.

In MY Republican party, elected officials and candidates would stand on their own merits and the party principles, rather than demonizing the Democrats as a political strategy.


This list could literally go on for days. I simply do not comprehend or relate to the "Republican Party" as it represents itself today. It is an aberration to me and implicitly culpable in the decline of our society and our nation. Is the Democratic party responsible as well? Absolutely! But pretending they're solely responsible while foolishly pursuing selfish and irrational public policies, all the while while pointing fingers at the awful Democrats is the height of hypocrisy. Matthew 7:5 would counsel Republicans to "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

I am SO fed up with party politics that I want to scream out loud! I'm ready to clean house by whatever means necessary, to include forfeiting a game if our side refuses to play by the rules, which in this case is abiding by the Republican Party Principles. They are as follows:



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[Glocktogo]

Who We Are:

The People's Party

It all started with people who opposed slavery. They were common, everyday people who bristled at the notion that men had any right to oppress their fellow man. In the early 1850’s, these anti-slavery activists found commonality with rugged individuals looking to settle in western lands, free of government charges. “Free soil, free labor, free speech, free men,” went the slogan. And it was thus in joint opposition to human enslavement and government tyranny that an enterprising people gave birth to the Republican Party.

In 1856, the Republicans became a national party by nominating John C. Fremont for President. Four years later, with the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860, the Republicans firmly established themselves as a major political party. The name "Republican" was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party.
All of Us Equal

In 1861, the Civil War erupted, lasting four grueling years. During the war, against the advice of his cabinet, President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves. The Republicans of the day worked to pass the Thirteenth Amendment, which outlawed slavery; the Fourteenth Amendment, which guaranteed equal protection under the laws; and the Fifteenth, which helped secure voting rights for African-Americans. All of these accomplishments extended and cemented the fundamental freedoms our nation continues to enjoy today.

The Republican Party also played a leading role in securing women the right to vote. In 1896, the Republican Party was the first major political party to support women's suffrage. When the 19th Amendment finally was added to the Constitution, 26 of 36 state legislatures that had voted to ratify it were under Republican control. The first woman elected to Congress was a Republican, Jeanette Rankin from Montana in 1917. So it was by hardworking Republican hands that color and gender barriers were first demolished in America.
Free from Oppression

Republicans believe individuals, not government, can make the best decisions; all people are entitled to equal rights; and decisions are best made close to home. These basic principles are as true today as they were when the Party was founded. For all of the extraordinary leaders the Party has produced throughout its rich history, Republicans understand that everyday people in all 50 states and territories remain the heart and soul of our Party.

Presidents during most of the late nineteenth century and the early part of the twentieth century were Republicans. The White House was in Republican hands under Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. Under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, the United States won the Cold War, releasing millions from Communist oppression, in true anti-big government Republican spirit.
Elephants, Not Donkeys

The symbol of the Republican Party is the elephant. During the mid term elections in 1874, Democrats tried to scare voters into thinking President Ulysses S. Grant would seek to run for an unprecedented third term. Thomas Nast, a cartoonist for Harper's Weekly, depicted a Democratic donkey trying to scare a Republican elephant - and both symbols stuck. For a long time, Republicans have been known as the "G.O.P." with party faithful believing it meant the "Grand Old Party." But apparently the original meaning (in 1875) was "gallant old party." When automobiles were invented it also came to mean, "get out and push." That's still a pretty good slogan for Republicans who depend every campaign year on the hard work of hundreds of thousands of everyday volunteers to get out and vote and push people to support the causes of the Republican Party.
Freedom Fighters

Abolition. Free speech. Women's suffrage. These were all causes the Republican Party adopted early on. So, too, were reducing the size of government, streamlining bureaucracy, and returning power to individual states. With a core belief in the primacy of individuals, the Republican Party, since its inception, has been at the forefront of the fight for individuals' rights in opposition to a large, intrusive government.

What We Believe:

We're fortunate to live in America

The Republican Party believes that the United States has been blessed with a unique set of individual rights and freedoms available to all.
You can be what you are, and become what you are capable of becoming

The Republican Party is inspired by the power and ingenuity of the individual to succeed through hard work, family support and self-discipline.
Helping those around you is worthwhile

The Republican Party believes in the value of voluntary giving and community support over taxation and forced redistribution.
Small government is a better government for the people

The Republican Party, like our nation's founders, believes that government must be limited so that it never becomes powerful enough to infringe on the rights of individuals.
You know what to do with your money better than government

The Republican Party supports low taxes because individuals know best how to make their own economic and charitable choices.
Free markets keep people free

The Republican Party is supportive of logical business regulations that encourage entrepreneurs to start more businesses so more individuals can enjoy the satisfaction and fruits of self-made success.
Our Armed Forces defend and protect our democracy

The Republican Party is committed to preserving our national strength while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.

The Republican Party is guided by these principles as it develops solutions to the challenges facing America.

Our Oath:

"I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.

I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person’s ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.

I believe that free enterprise and encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.

I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.

I believe in equal rights and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunities as well.

I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.

I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.

Finally, I believe that the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government."

Now, stop for a moment and think of how many Republican candidates we currently have, that actually embody these concepts?


I can't think of any either.

 

[VicedKink]

Polatics just make me sick. I had ex-wives that were more honest than some of them fellas and both my ex-wives were adulterous succubi(for reasons we wont discuss at this moment).

What I will tell ya, is that Ron Paul is too "gimme yer vote" for my liking. Dont tell me what I want to hear, tell me what you believe so I knows what to expect out of ye when I elect yer sorry butt to the office of el presidente.

 

[RickN]

Glocktogo, I agree with both of your last post but I do not believe Ron Paul is any better. He talks a good game on some issues but does not live up to the talk.

One reason I would love to see Paul back in his own party and all of those that think like him is the same reason I would love to see all the far lefties join the Socialist Party instead of the Democrats, that being the simple fact we need more parties to shake things up and to help force the two majors back to what they started out to be.

 

[vvvvvvv]

According to what I read, if he gets the Libertarian nomination he will be on the ballot in all 50 states. The Libertarians have made good progress in the last several years which is one reason I do not like Ron Paul, he is a Libertarian but knows he can not win on his own so he hopes to get the votes of those who would vote for anyone with an R after their name.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ohnson-launches-libertarian-presidential-bid/

We don't have the signatures in Oklahoma yet. We're at 32,000 - need 58,000 - deadline is March 1.

Not to be pessimistic, but I doubt that we'll get the total. Around 90% of the people that I've attempted to gather signatures from have told me that they were "informed" that signing the ballot access petition was signing a legal agreement to join the Libertarian Party (which is wholly untrue) or that Oklahoma doesn't legally recognize petitions (which is also wholly untrue).

 

[Glocktogo]

We don't have the signatures in Oklahoma yet. We're at 32,000 - need 58,000 - deadline is March 1.

Not to be pessimistic, but I doubt that we'll get the total. Around 90% of the people that I've attempted to gather signatures from have told me that they were "informed" that signing the ballot access petition was signing a legal agreement to join the Libertarian Party (which is wholly untrue) or that Oklahoma doesn't legally recognize petitions (which is also wholly untrue).

And they learned these "facts" from two party hacks practicing dirty politics. Fact: We shouldn't need 58,000 petition signatures to gain ballot access for candidates not affiliated with the two parties.

 

[ls1z4me]

And they learned these "facts" from two party hacks practicing dirty politics. Fact: We shouldn't need 58,000 petition signatures to gain ballot access for candidates not affiliated with the two parties.

Yes but then we would not have the false left/right paradigm, which is essential for dividing a nation on superfluous talking points while in reality both parties see hell bent on the elimination of our constitutional republic.

 

[Hobbes]

The GOP establishment has been engaged to Romney for 4 years now.
Primary voters might cheat on him and date someone else briefly, Bachmann-Cain-Gingrich-Paul, but when the wedding day nears they will marry Romney all the same.
You know it and I know it.

And it doesn't matter what anyone on this forum thinks or says about it because by the time Oklahoma votes on March 6th it will be out of our hands and decided already.

That's why I don't get too exercised about it in the first place.

 

[Werewolf]

These treads are always entertaining. Bitching and moaning over a donkey and an elephant. lol. This guy is better than this guy because of this and that.. At the end of the day, they are all the same. They have always been. They vote according to how much money they get from the lobbyist.

Maybe...

What's being missed in your description though is that it its not so much the taking but who they are taking it from that's important.