This is just embarrassing

[RickN]

Let's clear something up. All "laws" of science, are theories. The "Law" of gravity, is a theory that just hasn't been proven wrong yet.
That said, you do a great disservice to science, when you penalize someone for researching theories that don't correlate to your own. It's just like the Catholic church in the dark ages, "If you don't admit the earth is the center of the universe, you are a heretic." Now it's "If you don't admit that people didn't live alongside dinosaurs, you are a heretic." It needs to stop from both sides. We need to encourage academic freedom.

I get what you(whoever it was that referred to ID, I can't remember) are saying but until someone can tell me exactly how the universe began I refuse to pigeon hole "intelligent design" as any more ludicrous than man coming from an ape. There are plenty of questions that can and should be raised about evolution. Science is supposed to be a free thinking Mecca but when it comes to questioning evolution it's anything but.

For the record, I'm about as agnostic as it gets. I have no clue presently about the afterlife and won't until I take my last breath.

These!!!! Science has gone from looking for real answers to just another religion and they do not want it questioned. I have even seen GW believers wanting non-believers jailed or killed, which sounds a whole lot like bad old time religion.

Ask questions, research, debate, discuss, then research some more. That is real science.

 

[redneckgearhead]

It seems every generation of scientist has claimed that they have the answers until the evidence against them is so overwhelming that they have to except the latest and greatest.

 

[FlyGuyGSP]

But there is no evolution without species change, just adaptation which is only a small part of evolution. No evolution has ever been witnessed (the misconception I was going after) in our lifetime or history. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but people are basing their belief in evolution stating that it has been witnessed when it hasn't.

You are persistently wrong.

 

[Street Rat]

Evolution has been and can be proven. Now before people that only know what they are told in church object, I'm referring to the process by which populations change over time in the animal kingdom.

Yes, there is macro evolution, and micro evolution, one being that we all originated from pond scum, and the other is something like you get one type of bird from other birds which adapt to their environment, not a bird from a fish. I believed all through my public school years that we came from apes and that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago because that is what I was taught, I never heard anything to the contrary. From what I have seen, those who have tried to "prove" evolution only have failed, just take a look at some of the missing links they have come up with only later to be determined they were not missing links, but found a logical answer. No one can prove we originated from pond scum, if they want to believe it, fine, just don't teach it as fact. Don't those scientists only believe in things they can prove? Well, I'll just say we all have to believe in some things without having proof, so wouldn't that be called "faith"?

 

[okietom]

Teachers know nothing of history or science. We did not come from monkeys. We fought a huge war back in the dinosaur times. This war was homo-sapiens vs neanderthals. We eventually became victorious and wiped out the dinosaurs by hunting them for their fur.

DNA is showing that we beat out the Neanderthals by mating with them. We bred them out of existence. That sounds a lot more fun than killing them.

 

[BadgeBunny]

As long as that guy has hair bigger than mine I will NOT be able to take him seriously!

 

[JD8]

But there is no evolution without species change

That is incorrect. Like I said, the concept is applied all the way down to DNA.

No evolution has ever been witnessed (the misconception I was going after) in our lifetime or history

Not true either. Several examples exist, especially on a viral level.

You REALLY need to start reading some scientific journals if you're gonna repeat this stuff.

 

[IndVet]

No it has not been proven or disproven. There are hundreds of so called scientific establishments facts that are a joke, that a particle exists for everything, electrons and protons, that the moon rotates about its own axis, that occasional smoking is harmful, that background radiation is safe, that airport scanners are safe, that vaccines are not harmful, the history of human civilizations, that Christopher Colombus discovered anything, that a "gravity particle"exists, that thousands of FDA approved drugs are more helpful than harmful, that grains are at the base of the food pyramid and is considered healthy, etc. I would much rather we encourage active independent thought than the established teach for the test and repeat what the book says mind zombies.

OK, you were funny the first time. This joke is getting old in a serious conversation though.

 

[TedKennedy]

It's evident that species DO change over time. Look at a photo of a class full of kids from 1950, and compare it to a similar picture of today's classroom.... kids are bigger, dirtier, and DUMBER than 60 years ago. We're regressing, not evolving.

 

[ez bake]

Hey, I was just here to stir the pot and you had to bring my experience with teachers into the conversation.

I meant your pot-stirring abilities are better than that man. I expected more effort out of a fellow smart-ass. I'm practically having to derail this thread on my own here.

You're losing your edge man. You got young whipper-snappers at your heals:

TRUE ............. when I was a kid everything was covered in NAUGAHYDE. They were hunted to extinction and now we have no naugas.

Outstanding.