Walmart Work Release?

[vvvvvvv]

lots of folks are paying down $50K student loans managing I-Hops for $30 K a year these days.

That tells me plenty about that person, too.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

You're operating on the assumption that a majority of what you pay when you buy an imported item goes overseas.

Well maybe that's because I have a little experience in that arena.

 

[nofearfactor]

I can't believe that anyone would rather support China than support their own. I wonder if these are the same ones screaming that the democrats sold us out to China.

Lolll. Hell,youre supporting China when you spend your money in America anyways. Does anybody know how much China owns of our countrys debt? The notes theyre holding if they cashed them in would bankrupt us.

Ah, the debate about the 'de-industrialization' of America continues to rage on- all the while the rest of the worlds countries are becoming the new industrial giants.

In the new global market,American companies have had to build their new plants outside of America to be able to compete in the new global market,or they go under. Reasons why,too many to list. Funny thing is,we practically educated the entire world. We taught them how to become what they are. Americans in a by gone era invented the world that the modern world lives in and we used to manufacture and sell that world to every one else. Now we are quickly becoming just a small part of the ever growing full-on global economy,not the leader we once were. The big bad machine we used to be is grinding to a halt. And if we're going to be able to keep competing in this new global economy,a world that we basically invented, then its going to take some work to stay in the game.

Our government is out of control. Our economy is out of control. Terrorists are targeting us because of our so called 'American dream' lifestyle,a lifestyle that ironically so few of us can even afford to enjoy any more anyways. Where is it all heading? Who the hell knows. Im just an observer.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

Well Nofear, we're certainly not going to help our country, because we're Wally Worshippers.

 

[nofearfactor]

Thats the same old saw you guys play to death. For every $25 hour Union shop out there there *was* 10 places paying $7 to run a die casting machine or grinding carbon and rubber to make floor mats for $9.

You really don't have a clue about what factory work pays...or used to pay before we sent it all away do you?

Shoes and shirts payed on a peice work bonus basis. Not many folks were getting rich... but they were PAYING their house notes, buying cars and getting there kids fed and schooled.

And as far a literacy goes... ask around ... lots of folks are paying down $50K student loans managing I-Hops for $30 K a year these days.

+1...

 

[Jefpainthorse]

That tells me plenty about that person, too.

"libertarian" is a theory of politics... and it usually doesnt fit all parts of the real world very well.

Veggie... not everyone can move to Texas. For the last 40 years we have been pushing college on kids. Your bound to have an over abundance of over qualified folks competing for menial jobs. Heck...even Doctors and lawyers are "working for wages" these days in many cases-- to big a risk to open private practices anymore.

It used to be a kid could learn the basics of a skilled trade by High school graduation and walk into a entry level shop or trades job and be productive.

What passes for "vo tech" in Oklahoma and the rest of the county is shameful compared to what it used to be.. but then- why break your neck producing a program when it leads to a dead end.

When the work went away ... it went away.

 

[vvvvvvv]

"libertarian" is a theory of politics... and it usually doesnt fit all parts of the real world very well.

Veggie... not everyone can move to Texas. For the last 40 years we have been pushing college on kids. Your bound to have an over abundance of over qualified folks competing for menial jobs. Heck...even Doctors and lawyers are "working for wages" these days in many cases-- to big a risk to open private practices anymore.

It used to be a kid could learn the basics of a skilled trade by High school graduation and walk into a entry level shop or trades job and be productive.

What passes for "vo tech" in Oklahoma and the rest of the county is shameful compared to what it used to be.. but then- why break your neck producing a program when it leads to a dead end.

When the work went away ... it went away.

I don't see what libertarianism has to do with it. I haven't invoked that in any of my posts in this thread.

With the exception of doctors, lawyers, and very few other professions, I would say that someone who ran up $50K in student loans was stupid when they went to school. I feel the same about the people who go into law school planning on working in public service and rack up $100K+ at a top-tier law school.

Kids can still learn the basics of a skill trade by the time they graduate high school, but they have to be willing to go against what the school system is telling them which is that only jobs that purport to require a 4-year degree are respectable. Really, for a kid to get into a skilled trade they have to be willing to learn it on their own time. The schools, including vo-techs, only teach what is required to meet the standards. The exception at the vo-techs is when a particular student demonstrates an exceptional interest in something rather than just participating in a program because its easy, or because that aptitude test said they should, or because someone told them they need it to get a job.

One reason that I quit school is that I don't see where it benefits me. Sure, you can start out at a job four years later making more than you would have started at now, but I've seen many people making more with that four years of experience, and they don't have the student loans to pay off. Obviously, it doesn't apply to every profession, but in many professions that piece of paper only matters when you are looking for that first job.

(Another reason was dealing with professors who were the epitome of "Those who can't do, teach." I tell friends who really want a degree, and are actually book-smart to boot, not to correct a professor, especially in class. Nothing good comes from it.

And yet another reason is that I learn on my own quite well and feel held back in an organized learning setting.)

Personally, if I were to be looking to hire someone, there are two things I'd want to see on a resume: above par performance in food service and retail.

I know its anecdotal, but there is a common trait among people I went to high school with that went on to get a 4-year degree and now complain about not being able to find a job: they have many other personal reasons that preclude them from getting hired.

I don't care if I offend anyone with this post. I thought it through, and brushed my teeth while deciding if I should submit it or not. Then I re-read it to make sure.

 

[Werewolf]

And as far a literacy goes... ask around ... lots of folks are paying down $50K student loans managing I-Hops for $30 K a year these days.

When I was a student at OU there was an outfit that wanted to get graduates or soon to be graduates to pay for training to take the GRE, LSAT etc. The posters talked about the average college graduate having to take jobs earning $4 an hour.

These things were posted all over the university. The ones in the engineering building, business school and college of science were typically annotated by their students with notes along the lines of "true, if you're a letters, or english or history or sociology or french literature or classical art or any other semi-useless major".

That's just an example of what I am talking about. You wanna increase your chances of earning a good living then acquire skills that the marketplace is willing to pay for.

Once more for those not listening:

Adapt or DIE!

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

I don't see what libertarianism has to do with it. I haven't invoked that in any of my posts in this thread.

With the exception of doctors, lawyers, and very few other professions, I would say that someone who ran up $50K in student loans was stupid when they went to school. I feel the same about the people who go into law school planning on working in public service and rack up $100K+ at a top-tier law school.

Kids can still learn the basics of a skill trade by the time they graduate high school, but they have to be willing to go against what the school system is telling them which is that only jobs that purport to require a 4-year degree are respectable. Really, for a kid to get into a skilled trade they have to be willing to learn it on their own time. The schools, including vo-techs, only teach what is required to meet the standards. The exception at the vo-techs is when a particular student demonstrates an exceptional interest in something rather than just participating in a program because its easy, or because that aptitude test said they should, or because someone told them they need it to get a job.

One reason that I quit school is that I don't see where it benefits me. Sure, you can start out at a job four years later making more than you would have started at now, but I've seen many people making more with that four years of experience, and they don't have the student loans to pay off. Obviously, it doesn't apply to every profession, but in many professions that piece of paper only matters when you are looking for that first job.

(Another reason was dealing with professors who were the epitome of "Those who can't do, teach." I tell friends who really want a degree, and are actually book-smart to boot, not to correct a professor, especially in class. Nothing good comes from it.

And yet another reason is that I learn on my own quite well and feel held back in an organized learning setting.)

Personally, if I were to be looking to hire someone, there are two things I'd want to see on a resume: above par performance in food service and retail.

I know its anecdotal, but there is a common trait among people I went to high school with that went on to get a 4-year degree and now complain about not being able to find a job: they have many other personal reasons that preclude them from getting hired.

I don't care if I offend anyone with this post. I thought it through, and brushed my teeth while deciding if I should submit it or not. Then I re-read it to make sure.

Why would that post offend anyone? I know where you are coming from, all of my education was paid for by the 3 companies that I have worked for, 120 hours only cost me my time. Some companies still require the degree, it shows that you can start something and see it through...blah blah blah.

 

[vvvvvvv]

Why would that post offend anyone?

I figured a few would stop at the first non-italicized paragraph. Generally, when I get on that topic elsewhere, a LOT of people get offended.