LEO and open carry

[dugby]

I agree with everything you wrote, except the bolded part. It wasn't too long in the past that open carry was reasonable and practical under certain circumstances. Farmers, ranchers, hikers, fishermen, people who lived in rural areas where a gun was a tool for more than repelling humans, etc. Outdoor activities lend themselves well to open carry. Back when this was a commonly accepted practice, it was the people carrying concealed that were considered gangsters and thugs. I think having a law against open carry is not taking these things into consideration.

Hence the number of states that allow open carry yet no concealed carry.

 

[Keyser328]

I've instinctively known this all my life - predators, be they animal or human, prey on the weak, not the strong. I firmly believe that OC will act as a deterent.

There is a lot to be said for this as well. There are valid arguments on both sides, without a doubt. A visible weapon is a deterrent. A concealed weapon is a tactical advantage. A visible weapon is quicker to draw. A visible weapon can be grabbed by a stranger.

Both method require practice and consideration. I'm sure many years ago there were many people claiming concealed was just a disaster waiting to happen when bubba sucks his gun in his pants and blows his giggly bits off.


As to the question of why do I want to open carry, beyond the fact that it is my right? Its simple, at times, it is more practical than concealed. At times, it is more functional than concealed. It means I have the liberty to choose my wardrobe with some more latitude. It means I can legally conceal with just a jacket, but have the comfort and freedom to take off said jacket when I sit down for dinner.


Even though I won't open carry often, I feel it will be a huge burden lifted off the responsible citizens of the state. I, for one, am extremely paranoid of printing or accidental showing of my weapon. Knowing my luck, it will happen around that one guy who feels the need to make and example of it.

It bothers me to be paranoid about a responsible action to keep me from being paranoid, yanno?

 

[henschman]

The one question I have not been able to get answered by any open carry supporter: "Other than because it is your right, why do you want to carry openly?"

The question I seem to have trouble getting anti-[insert any liberty] person to answer is "why do we need any reason to want something de-criminalized, other than that it is our right to do it?"

However, giving practical reasons for wanting certain liberties restored does help in getting some of the fence sitters who don't believe in natural rights on our side, so I suppose I would answer your question by saying that open carry has certain advantages and certain disadvantages. It may be of greater benefit in certain situations than in others... like a trucker, courier, landman, or anyone else who spends a lot of time on the road -- it is a lot easier to draw from OWB while sitting in a vehicle. It might make sense as a deterrent for someone like a gas station clerk, or someone who is being stalked. It would be nice for being outdoors, like camping, hiking, hunting, or just tramping around your acreage... doing these things, there is no tactical disadvantage to carrying openly since no one else is around to target you or steal your gun; so it would make sense to carry in whatever method is most comfortable and allows for the quickest draw.

In any case, the question is whether in a free country it should be up to the individual to weigh the advantages or disadvantages of a certain course of action and decide for himself; or if the government should just broadly prohibit a whole course of action for everyone, because of the possibility that some people might put themselves in danger because of their own irresponsibility.

 

[Norman]

I'm still seeing many posts like what ExSniper pointed out. Someone asks for LEO's opinions, and then get defensive and argumentative when LEO's post them. No reason to get indignant because a LEO thinks differently than you.

But I am plenty capable of taking care of the retention of my weapon.

I'm not picking on you, cause you could be a BAMF for all I know. What makes you sure you can defend your weapon? Have you had formal training in weapon retention? grappling? MMA, Leave or CQT, etc? Equally important, have you continued to train? Have you used them against actively resisting opponents? Weapon retention and fighting, just as shooting, are highly perishable skills.

 

[BadgeBunny]

Not for me

Hang around a little bit then. For some reason this board has always had it's fair share of folks who ask for JBTs opinions and then call them all manner of anti-American, revenue-generating Jack-Booted Thugs for having an opinion when it differs from their own. This issue is no different.

I could really care less about the "right" to OC. After 25 years as a paralegal and 12 years married to a JBT there are a couple of things that I am certain of:

1. Our uninaliable rights are regularly regulated by the government whether we like it or not and no amount of teeth-knashing and foot-stomping on our part is gonna change that. That's what government does ... it governs and regulates (oh and generates revenue so it can continue to govern and regulate).

2. A life lived quietly is a much more satisfying and fulfilling life, regardless of what the activists for ANY special interest group (and make no mistake, open carry proponents are activists).

Of course, I do also believe, others milage may vary.

I've not said this here but will now. I fail to understand how open carry proponents think that having open carry "restores" an uninaliable right, when it is still taxed and regulated just like conceal carry. And I'd much rather be able to make the decision on whether to enter a gun fight by virute of my HIDDEN conceal carry weapon than be drawn into one by some dimwit through virtue of him seeing my own throughly OBVIOUS open carry weapon and deciding to "give me a go". Again, YMMV ...

Well I think I understand what you are trying to say. So you think I need to go to Bricktown and open carry so I can show off my gun. That ain't true. I can only speak for myself, but I don't need to go anywhere and show off my gun. Then you think we need to gather in large groups and show off our guns to each other. I don't think so, at least not me. Training is great and I am all for it. I don't think any of us could ever have enough training. But I am plenty capable of taking care of the retention of my weapon.

Oh, and you are projecting an awful lot in your response to ExSniper ... Nowhere did he say that he thinks you (or anybody else for that matter) "need" to do anything. However, he did say several times that HE sees little need for certain behaviors. So, no, you really didn't understand what he was trying to say at all.

 

[oklacowboy]

I'm still seeing many posts like what ExSniper pointed out. Someone asks for LEO's opinions, and then get defensive and argumentative when LEO's post them. No reason to get indignant because a LEO thinks differently than you.


I'm not picking on you, cause you could be a BAMF for all I know. What makes you sure you can defend your weapon? Have you had formal training in weapon retention? grappling? MMA, Leave or CQT, etc? Equally important, have you continued to train? Have you used them against actively resisting opponents? Weapon retention and fighting, just as shooting, are highly perishable skills.

Defensive and Argumentative? I simply stated that I don't need to go out in public to show off my gun.

Yes I have had training from LEO's. Having been a professional athlete for several years, I continue to stay in good physical condition. As I stated, I don't think any of us can ever have enough training and yes, I do continue to train.

 

[oklacowboy]

Hang around a little bit then. For some reason this board has always had it's fair share of folks who ask for JBTs opinions and then call them all manner of anti-American, revenue-generating Jack-Booted Thugs for having an opinion when it differs from their own. This issue is no different.

I could really care less about the "right" to OC. After 25 years as a paralegal and 12 years married to a JBT there are a couple of things that I am certain of:

1. Our uninaliable rights are regularly regulated by the government whether we like it or not and no amount of teeth-knashing and foot-stomping on our part is gonna change that. That's what government does ... it governs and regulates (oh and generates revenue so it can continue to govern and regulate).

2. A life lived quietly is a much more satisfying and fulfilling life, regardless of what the activists for ANY special interest group (and make no mistake, open carry proponents are activists).

Of course, I do also believe, others milage may vary.

I've not said this here but will now. I fail to understand how open carry proponents think that having open carry "restores" an uninaliable right, when it is still taxed and regulated just like conceal carry. And I'd much rather be able to make the decision on whether to enter a gun fight by virute of my HIDDEN conceal carry weapon than be drawn into one by some dimwit through virtue of him seeing my own throughly OBVIOUS open carry weapon and deciding to "give me a go". Again, YMMV ...



Oh, and you are projecting an awful lot in your response to ExSniper ... Nowhere did he say that he thinks you (or anybody else for that matter) "need" to do anything. However, he did say several times that HE sees little need for certain behaviors. So, no, you really didn't understand what he was trying to say at all.

I don't know where you come up with some of this stuff, Antiamerican? common here. Where the hell did I say that? Seems to me that you are just looking for a fight.

Despite your years of experience, you obviously don't see that activism and not pacifism is what keeps our rights from becoming more restricted.

Getting OC passed will still be taxed and regulated, but it is a step in the right direction towards having our 2nd amendment rights restored.

No one says you have to open carry, you can do it any way you want to.

Maybe you don't understand what I was saying.

 

[reddog1]

Im ready fo Wally World with a hogleg strapped to my leg!!

yeah!!! WOOOOHOOOOOO

 

[BadgeBunny]

I don't know where you come up with some of this stuff, Antiamerican? common here. Where the hell did I say that? Seems to me that you are just looking for a fight.

Despite your years of experience, you obviously don't see that activism and not pacifism is what keeps our rights from becoming more restricted.

Getting OC passed will still be taxed and regulated, but it is a step in the right direction towards having our 2nd amendment rights restored.

No one says you have to open carry, you can do it any way you want to.

Maybe you don't understand what I was saying.

I don't need to look here for a fight. LOL I never said YOU said it. I said the board has a segment of it's population that tends to lean that way. Why do you think every little thing is about you and not a general observation?? Some people's kids ... sheesh

My years of experience has taught me that activism is most assuredly a waste of time but some folks like to spend their time thinking they make a difference in front of the big white building with the Indian on top of it. Go ahead, knock yourself out.

We also have an difference of opinion as to how having OC passed will "restore" our 2A right. This doesn't "restore" anything ... it just regulates it in a different way -- just like it was regulated before.

I know that.

I understand perfectly well what you are saying.

 

[BadgeBunny]

Im ready fo Wally World with a hogleg strapped to my leg!!

yeah!!! WOOOOHOOOOOO

Pics or it didn't happen!!!! (If the regulation that some folks seem to think isn't gonna be a regulation anymore because it will be a different regulation passes ...)