Can we finally admit

[Glocktogo]

You can't make a statement like that without saying the reason for the crusades. The Turks (Muslims) spread out all over Europe, taking over villages and executing Christians who would not convert. They cut off trade routes and access to Jerusalem to any non Muslims. As you stated they were barbarians, slitting the throats of those who did not want to believe. The reason the it looked like a Catholic domination is because it was. Muslims thought the way to win a war is to spread out and take the land from the people, doing terrible things to countrymen and women and children. The Catholics knew the way to win a war is with soldiers.... This seems still true today.

You're starting in the middle. Go back to Sumer and Akkadia and work forward from there. Christian vs. Muslim is merely a veneer for millennia of hostility. Same people, different descriptors, no change. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. It seems that nearly everyone forgets.

 

[inactive]

Man I remember that time..... I had a 77 beetle and could fill up for well under $5.00!!!!

I my little 4 cylinder 5 speed truck, I could fill up for 12 bucks and commute to Stillwater and back twice from Tulsa with fuel to spare.

 

[henschman]

You guys who are debating this president vs. that president on gas prices and the economy need to take a step back and get a look at the forest. If you look at long term gas prices in terms of gold rather than the dollar, they have remained almost constant since the early part of last century. The rise in gas prices, as well as in all other prices, has a lot more to do with the policies of the Federal Reserve, which have remained more or less the same (which is to say highly inflationary) no matter which parties' president is in power. The depression of '07 was caused by inflationary policies and government subsidization of the mortgage market, which was encouraged by both the Democrats under Clinton and the Republicans under Bush, and which have been accelerated with the support of both parties, and both the Bush and Obama administrations, since the crash.

 

[caojyn]

You guys who are debating this president vs. that president on gas prices and the economy need to take a step back and get a look at the forest. If you look at long term gas prices in terms of gold rather than the dollar, they have remained almost constant since the early part of last century. The rise in gas prices, as well as in all other prices, has a lot more to do with the policies of the Federal Reserve, which have remained more or less the same (which is to say highly inflationary) no matter which parties' president is in power. The depression of '07 was caused by inflationary policies and government subsidization of the mortgage market, which was encouraged by both the Democrats under Clinton and the Republicans under Bush, and which have been accelerated with the support of both parties, and both the Bush and Obama administrations, since the crash.

^This

 

[ez bake]

The problem is - the world sees us (or U.S.) as the "mom". Maybe EU needs to grow up and behave like "oldest sister" and step in as well. Globalization is a b!tch - $500 LED TVs and $3.50 gas (still cheaper than Europe ... in the 90s) has other prices too.

Got to push those baby birds out of the nest sometime. Breaking out on our own is what kicked off the beginning of the US' history and we were better off for it. Why we now think that we should change things up for other countries (that they somehow don't have to grow-up for themselves) is a mystery to me.

 

[ez bake]

Got to push those baby birds out of the nest sometime. Breaking out on our own is what kicked off the beginning of the US' history and we were better off for it. Why we now think that we should change things up for other countries (that they somehow don't have to grow-up for themselves) is a mystery to me.

I'm all for jumping in when another country asks for our help, but we've moved well beyond that point several times. Now its just "We're going to Liberate the $#@! out of you whether you like it or not!"

 

[Jim Corrigan]

Now its just "We're going to Liberate the $#@! out of you whether you like it or not!"

That statement does sum up our foreign policy pretty nicely.

 

[caojyn]

def going in signature

 

[POKE1911]

Heres my deal with oil/gas: Simply supply vs demand

1. The global demand for gas has increased... causing the increase in price. Is it bush's fault is it obama's fault, no its china's and inda's fault for growing and becoming more industrial. (demand side.)
2. Under Obama, we have killed a pipeline into the country, we have cut off shore drilling in American water. (supply side)

Basic economics teaches us that an increase in demand without an increase in supply will result in a price increase. However, we could be doing more to increase the supply side which would keep our cost low. I am not sure it would have much impact now but 5-10 years down the road it could be huge.

To sum it up. I don't think bush or Obama policies has influenced the price of gas as much as other factors, however Obama's policy to slash offshore drilling and dump taxpayer money into unproven energy technology will really hurt us in the future.

 

[henschman]

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This only goes through 2007, but you get the idea.