Can we finally admit

[RickN]

EZ, while I agree with some of what you posted since the group behind the attack also tried for the Brit ambassador not to long ago and has attacked moderate Muslims in Libya, we can not disengage from that part of the world until we open up the oil and gas drilling here. We do that and we can supply ourselves and much of our allies needs. Then we can tell the Mideast to go ahead and kill each other.

 

[POKE1911]

Please don't confure islamic fundamentalists for all muslims. There is a big difference. Kind of like saying that every catholic man is a pedophile. Just because a minority groups within a much larger group is hell-bent on killing, doesn't mean they all are, or that they have declared war on us. Let me remind you that the Crusades was a war started by the church and perpetrated on the islamic "barbarians". Muslims are not bad people, just like all religions, they have a lot of zealots that make the rest of them look bad. One more reason I don't believe in organized religion. Killing in the name of god is not the answer.

You can't make a statement like that without saying the reason for the crusades. The Turks (Muslims) spread out all over Europe, taking over villages and executing Christians who would not convert. They cut off trade routes and access to Jerusalem to any non Muslims. As you stated they were barbarians, slitting the throats of those who did not want to believe. The reason the it looked like a Catholic domination is because it was. Muslims thought the way to win a war is to spread out and take the land from the people, doing terrible things to countrymen and women and children. The Catholics knew the way to win a war is with soldiers.... This seems still true today.

 

[RickN]

Seriously? Gas peaked at its highest under bush and then fell right as he was leaving office. So you're accusing Obama's policies of causing gas-hikes but somehow it was ok for it to happen on Bush's watch as long as he lowered it right before re-election?

That proves my previous point better than I ever could have.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gas...gas-today-364-highest-average-price-calif-420

Where did I say it was OK under Bush? The only difference is that Bush tried to do something about it by increasing drilling while Obama has done the exact opposite. If you check you will find that most of the increased drilling we see today is either on private land or the permits to drill on government controlled areas were issued under Bush.

 

[ez bake]

You can't make a statement like that without saying the reason for the crusades. The Turks (Muslims) spread out all over Europe, taking over villages and executing Christians who would not convert. They cut off trade routes and access to Jerusalem to any non Muslims. As you stated they were barbarians, slitting the throats of those who did not want to believe. The reason the it looked like a Catholic domination is because it was. Muslims thought the way to win a war is to spread out and take the land from the people, doing terrible things to countrymen and women and children. The Catholics knew the way to win a war is with soldiers.... This seems still true today.

And where did the first Muslim warmongers learn that?

We can go back into history for as long as we want - "He started it" is never an acceptable answer (either your motives are righteous or they're not). The Vatican didn't have a noble cause, it was a power grab for the land/people - they were essentially just as guilty as the Muslim warmongers and you can go to the Mongolians, the Romans, the Persians, etc... before that and do the same thing all the way back to the Jewish people attacking folks who lived in their promised land and essentially kicking them out.

My point is that pointing fingers to justify your actions is not the answer (unless you're a politician, then its always the answer). We need solutions and what we've been doing for years is obviously not working.

 

[ez bake]

Where did I say it was OK under Bush? The only difference is that Bush tried to do something about it by increasing drilling while Obama has done the exact opposite. If you check you will find that most of the increased drilling we see today is either on private land or the permits to drill on government controlled areas were issued under Bush.

You didn't say anything about Bush. That was my point. I've never said Obama was less that $#!++^, but if you're going to point a finger at him, then at least give credit to those who paved the way before him (and again, who set the record that Obama had to break with highest oil prices on their watch?).

Queue those who are ok with bashing Obama for high-gas prices but defend Bush because "Presidents don't have anything to do with gas-prices" in 3...2...1...

 

[reddog1]

Presidents don't have anything to do with gas-prices!!! WTF???

 

[inactive]

The part I put in bold has nothing at all to do with the war on terror and everything to do with the current president and his failed policies. In Dec 2008 before Obama was sworn in the average price of a gallon of gas was $1.61.

It was as lows as 80 something cents a gallon in 1999. Why'd it double under Bush and his failed policies?

 

[penismightier]

It was as lows as 80 something cents a gallon in 1999. Why'd it double under Bush and his failed policies?

Man I remember that time..... I had a 77 beetle and could fill up for well under $5.00!!!!

 

[Hobbes]

The part I put in bold has nothing at all to do with the war on terror and everything to do with the current president and his failed policies. In Dec 2008 before Obama was sworn in the average price of a gallon of gas was $1.61.

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See that gray part in the middle? That's the great depression of 2007-2009, and that's Obama's fault too.

 

[MoBoost]

How about we stop attacking each other and just get the hell away from each other (that's what your mom would do if you were fighting with your brother or sister - whoop your ass and send you to your rooms).

As long as we keep Meddling in the affairs of countries that hate us, they will keep attacking us in those countries at our weakest points (we have done the exact same thing during the Revolutionary war). We're not the rulers of the world. Our country was sort of started in EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

The problem is - the world sees us (or U.S.) as the "mom". Maybe EU needs to grow up and behave like "oldest sister" and step in as well. Globalization is a b!tch - $500 LED TVs and $3.50 gas (still cheaper than Europe ... in the 90s) has other prices too.