Daunte Wright Shooting

[magna19]

Sentence fragments......not not not making total sense.

I don't have a side here. The policy was agreed upon between the two entities. The officer and his supervisor shouldn't have tried to unlawfully compromise this policy. Seems the courts and the their higher ups agreed.

Speaking of research, one should question why they were so insistent on getting the blood? The poor bastard was a victim of a nasty auto collision where the State police were chasing an individual that crashed into the victim. Again, why so insistent on the blood? Trying to displace blame much?

I'm all for backing the blue within reason, but this whole scenario was complete BS from the start.

A neat article on "implied consent" the officer was basing his lawsuit on...... doesn't look good.

https://www.overdriveonline.com/bus...excuse-me-sir-do-you-have-any-implied-consent

If im in that situation Ill stick to arguing policy with a police officer after being handcuffed and took to jail.

 

[Glocktogo]

I believe you are speaking about the incident with the Tulsa SO. That old man had to do a little time in the joint, but I don't remember where or how long, but it wasn't a long time as I remember. Can't recall his name, but I believe he was a well heeled TSO donor and reserve deputy.

Bates was an arrogant dumbass and a blight on the reserve program. Most knew to avoid him like the plague, but he had hard ties to the old administration, so some of the full time guys couldn't avoid him entirely. He literally killed the TCSO reserve program single handedly.

 

[Glocktogo]

The funny thing is that I think most people in society WANT the police to be respected. I think most people DO think that cops discharge their duties honorably. But also what people see is that the same "honorable" ones will circle the wagons around the bad ones. No. Matter. What. How many times in the last year, the last few years has video come out with some dirty dirty on it and all the public will ever see is "we investigated ourselves and we find ourselves innocent." Like the release of information the other day that said the guy getting shot 7 times in the back was within department policy and training. How is that better? 7 times in the back of an invader in any of our homes and we're doing 20-life no questions asked.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-kenosha-police-officer-back-work/7212525002/

I saw a story the other day where a cop got off with a slap on the wrist after raping someone on-duty in his car because it was said "no one could prove consent wasn't given". I'd love to be able to cite that, but googling for "cop rapes woman in his car" brings up a sickening amount of results. Either way, I was on a jury that put someone in jail for 30 years for rape because of threat, and there's little to no way, in my mind, that someone is going to convince me a predator cop with a gun, handcuffs, (etc), and a whole system of protections is going to really get "consent". Because as the google results show, there's good reason for them to believe no one will believe the victim, they'll walk with no consequence because of "lack of evidence" or sometimes get a 90 day sentence or similar, when again, any of us would be looking 20-life.

Kind of riffing off my above point, the girl(s) in the stories basically had a choice --- A) cooperate (and get raped) or B) Take their chances. I don't think the choice is quite as binary as your make it out here.

I'd say in 98% of cases, the root cause of the incident is a failure to cooperate. In the other 2%, it's exactly as you say. Let's not forget when Mesa, AZ police murdered Daniel Shaver in cold blood while he desperately tried to cooperate and follow their ridiculous commands. No one should ever have to play "Simon Says" with three police officers pointing guns at you as you're crawling on the floor at their command.

And what happened in that case? Not only did the murderer not get indicted, he got a lifetime PENSION for "PTSD" brought on by killing that poor bastard.

 

[Rez Exelon]

I'd say in 98% of cases, the root cause of the incident is a failure to cooperate. In the other 2%, it's exactly as you say. Let's not forget when Mesa, AZ police murdered Daniel Shaver in cold blood while he desperately tried to cooperate and follow their ridiculous commands. No one should ever have to play "Simon Says" with three police officers pointing guns at you as you're crawling on the floor at their command.

And what happened in that case? Not only did the murderer not get indicted, he got a lifetime PENSION for "PTSD" brought on by killing that poor bastard.

100% --- I mentioned him in a different part of the thread I think. Watching the video it's 100% crystal clear he attempted to comply as soon as he knew what he was dealing with and was executed.

Another interesting thing I thought about this morning was that in so many threads Ashley Babbit gets talked about as being murdered, and yet no one says she should have just complied. Lots of crazy stuff.

 

[Glocktogo]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

As stated above, those two dumbasses tried to play "Simon Says" with Lt. Nazario and he saw he was in immediate danger, so he didn't play along. That entire contact was a TO's nightmare.

 

[Glocktogo]

100% --- I mentioned him in a different part of the thread I think. Watching the video it's 100% crystal clear he attempted to comply as soon as he knew what he was dealing with and was executed.

Another interesting thing I thought about this morning was that in so many threads Ashley Babbit gets talked about as being murdered, and yet no one says she should have just complied. Lots of crazy stuff.

yeah, I've been away and I'm trying to catch up. Might have to combine these responses. Thanks for the input!

 

[Glocktogo]

I have "needed" cops on a couple of occasions. They documented a traffic incident after the fact, and the report was very helpful. Last year my home alarm went off and when I arrived, two of SPD's finest were standing in my yard. My front door was open, and my dogs were inside. The senior officer said, "i really doubt anyone's in there". I laughed and said "nope, probably not. I appreciate y'all showing up".

Not sure I "needed" the cops that day, but they were doing their job, I was doing mine, and my dogs didn't get shot. Happy ending. What if I hadn't had a cop that day? Same outcome.

We need cops to investigate actual crimes. That's kinda the point of having cops. Possessing an inanimate object is an arbitrary rule, a victimless crime. Wanting to be left alone is not a crime. Too many, way too many cops get the "respect muh authoritah or else" attitude, and any interaction has the possibility of turning sour.

Too many thugs are walking the streets and being let out for actual crimes, and cops are being prevented from keeping them out of society. Why a decent cop would choose to patrol in some areas is beyond me.

Perhaps if we ended QI, quit locking people up for arbitrary crimes and focused on actual crimes with victims, we'd have more room in prisons for real bad guys, fewer young folks with limited job opportunities from catching a felony on possession, respect for the LEOs that act as a safeguard against violence in neighborhoods?

When an officer rapes, assaults, kills someone, intimidates a witness, and the Thin Blue Line closes ranks, that's not helping anything except a culture of lawlessness. RICO act should be invoked for some of this crap...

Good thing it wasn't the ATF responding! LOL

 

[Rez Exelon]

Not sure I "needed" the cops that day, but they were doing their job, I was doing mine, and my dogs didn't get shot. Happy ending. What if I hadn't had a cop that day? Same outcome.

It's sad you have to include this point, but dang if Google isn't full of example of this. Saw a repost of a thread earlier today in fact from one of the times that someone shot themselves instead of the "viscous attacking dog".

We need cops to investigate actual crimes. That's kinda the point of having cops. Possessing an inanimate object is an arbitrary rule, a victimless crime. Wanting to be left alone is not a crime. Too many, way too many cops get the "respect muh authoritah or else" attitude, and any interaction has the possibility of turning sour.

Your authority quote reminded me of this gem which I think is pretty true. Originally I had it saved because it summarizes me mom pretty well but it's just as applicable in scope for LEO's I think.

 

[Glocktogo]

Once the cop had enough of her not obeying he went to put her under arrest. She should have went peacefully whether he was right or not. Even if the lawsuit is true couldn't it have been filed and won after being arrested. So easy a caveman can do it
Watched it again. What is wrong with not taking the blood and being arrested and filing the appropriate measures against the officer or agency. So easy a caveman can do it.

For starters, she was ON DUTY to provide potentially lifesaving care. This isn't the 1st time cops have played the "RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!" card when dealing with medical personnel (a high profile incident between an OHP trooper and EMS driver comes to mind). At the scene isn't the time to have a pissing contest with other emergency service personnel. That's for Police Chiefs, Fire Chiefs and Medical Directors to work out. IF the fire or medical provider committed a crime, then an affidavit can be sworn and an arrest warrant issued after the fact.

Simply put, those officers lost their professionalism and their tempers. They don't have any business working the street.

And again there is a process to address this if the officer was wrong, lying, or mishandling her.

Yep, he was fired for his complete lack of professionalism and the taxpayers shelled out $500K in a completely avoidable incident. If you were the taxpayer, would you still defend that asshat?

 

[jakeman]

You should watch the entire video.



Officer was fired, his superior demoted. I believe she sued and won/settled btw.

Good. He should have served a little time for assault and false arrest. Bald headed, badge heavy bastard.