Florida school shooting

[Dave70968]

What can be done, legally that is? I'm truly curious how something is done without being a police state.

I emphatically support the protections of the Fourth Amendment, but the Fourth isn't implicated when people *voluntarily* share what they've seen, and it *certainly* isn't implicated in reading what they publicly post to the world. If my garbage isn't private--and SCOTUS has ruled that it isn't--why in the world would I expect that something I post to the internet equivalent of a billboard to be private?

When somebody does something that would make a reasonable person raise an eyebrow and say "that boy just ain't quite right," there's nothing wrong with sniffing around the edges a little bit. Invasive searching, involuntary questioning, coercing people to act as spies, absolutely wrong; but if his neighbor says "y'know, ol' Timmy seems to be buying an awful lot of fertilizer, and his yard just isn't that big," that's not a violation of Timmy's rights or his neighbor's; that's just good police work.

 

[JD8]

I emphatically support the protections of the Fourth Amendment, but the Fourth isn't implicated when people *voluntarily* share what they've seen, and it *certainly* isn't implicated in reading what they publicly post to the world. If my garbage isn't private--and SCOTUS has ruled that it isn't--why in the world would I expect that something I post to the internet equivalent of a billboard to be private?

When somebody does something that would make a reasonable person raise an eyebrow and say "that boy just ain't quite right," there's nothing wrong with sniffing around the edges a little bit. Invasive searching, involuntary questioning, coercing people to act as spies, absolutely wrong; but if his neighbor says "y'know, ol' Timmy seems to be buying an awful lot of fertilizer, and his yard just isn't that big," that's not a violation of Timmy's rights or his neighbor's; that's just good police work.

While I don't disagree with most of what you said, when does that end? Ol' JD just bought two rifles.... that's 5 in the last year..... he's also bought 5K rounds in the last few months. Nobody needs that much. The Fertilizer I get... but unfortunately a lot of people would look at some of our purchases as "abnormal" or unnecessary.

 

[Riley]

Its being reported that the shooter was reported to the feds last September for posing a comment saying he was "going to be a professional school shooter". They interviewed the person reporting and got a copy of the screen shot of the comments.

Link - https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/15/hmm-fbi-warned-parkland-school-shooter/

 

[Dave70968]

While I don't disagree with most of what you said, when does that end? Ol' JD just bought two rifles.... that's 5 in the last year..... he's also bought 5K rounds in the last few months. Nobody needs that much. The Fertilizer I get... but unfortunately a lot of people would look at some of our purchases as "abnormal" or unnecessary.

And they're not grounds in and of themselves for any official action. Combine them with taking ammunition to a prohibited place (a school), making threats, etc., though, and there's probably enough to justify a warrant, which could lead to further evidence.

As I was typing this, Riley's post immediately above appeared. It looks like there was more than enough evidence to do some serious digging, probably to include warrants. Even making the threat without bringing live ammo to school is probably close enough to the "making terroristic threats" statutes to get something done.

 

[sh00ter]

My points:

1.) The signs were there and the system failed (just like the Texas church shooter). We need to throw the book at any officials who dropped the ball just like we throw the public opinion book at anyone accused in the #metoo movement. Until the people that allow this to happen are made an example of, they will keep dropping the ball. I don't think these are false flags, I think it is incompetence and a lack of accountability but the authorities as to why the system is failing despite there being ample reasons for concern. I had a family member in a blue state who had a mental breakdown induced by prescription drugs that had been improperly prescribed. He was a pillar of the community except for this unfortunate happening that wasn't his fault, and the cops took his guns until it was sorted out and then gave them back a month later.

2.) If the left "really" cared about mass-k1llings they'd care about the 54 million aborted since roe v wade. They only care about the victims when it suits their political agenda. That's why they don't care about people killed by illegals or they mocked the vegas victims because they were most likley trump supporters at a county music concert.

3.) The ROOT cause of all these is the progression over decades towards a liberal culture. The more they have influenced our culture and gotten rid of family values and personal accountability, etc. through the use of various means such has hip-hop, video games, reality TV, academia, political correctness in general, psychotropic prescription drugs, etc., the more of these types of tragedies we see happen. They use their own influences on society to then blame those of us that oppose it for the tragedies and want to then take away the responsible, law-abiders' rights. It's how the communists & totalitarians have always done throughout history. But if you are on this forum, you already know this...you already know that modern liberalism is the cause of all of this. Most of the losers who do these acts are not conservative republicans ya know.

I hurt for the victims & their families...I hate to see this happen to people.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

I feel sorrow for those who died in this incident. The sorrow I feel does not, however, come close to the anger I feel toward those who made it impossible via law to prevent logical, prudent, and absolutely necessary defense of these people. Those who created, passed, and enforce those laws are, in my opinion, guilty of being accessory to murder. Had those law makers and enforcers stuck to the Constitution, very few if any at all would have died in this incident. Armed self defense is the only effective deterrent and the only cure when deterrence fails.

I believe those responsible for making these incidents possible do so in order to promote disarmament through emotionalism. The media is complicit in this endeavor as well.

Woody

 

[Dale00]

School visitor passes and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of exterior security doors that are routinely disabled by door mats did not do anything. Again we have to ask who is responsible for protecting children against madmen and why have they failed so miserably.

 

[DavidMcmillan]

To the left, Roe v. Wade is settled law, while the 2nd Admendment is a statement needing a new definiation.

 

[KOPBET]

To the left, Roe v. Wade is settled law, while the 2nd Admendment is a statement needing a new definiation.

Which is pretty amazing given that R. v W. was conjured up out of thin air.

 

[Pokem807]

Watching Anderson Cooper on CNN. He just corrected himself from “killed” to “gunned down”. Have to give it to the libs and media, they understand how to shape and promote their message.


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