Florida school shooting

[RugersGR8]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20180215
After Donald Trump Speaks, Obama Demands Gun Control In Response to School Shooting
by CHARLIE SPIERING
15 Feb 2018

 

[Billybob]

I think I see a trend...

• Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 16 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system.
• Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Hawkins’ friend told CNN that the gunman was on antidepressants, and autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the “anti-anxiety” drug Valium.
• Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
• Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
• Blacksburg, Virginia – April 16, 2007: 23-year-old Seung Hui Cho shot to death 32 students and faculty of Virginia Tech, wounding 17 more, and then killing himself. He had received prior mental health treatment, however his mental health records remained sealed.
• Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
• Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”.
• El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School.
• Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
• Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
• Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed.
• Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
• Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.

Ya think?

http://www.ssristories.net/school-shootings/

 

[dennishoddy]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20180215
After Donald Trump Speaks, Obama Demands Gun Control In Response to School Shooting
by CHARLIE SPIERING
15 Feb 2018

Obama described more gun control laws as “long overdue,” despite his repeated failure to change gun laws during his presidency.
That one sentence says it all.

 

[RugersGR8]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...rida-school-shooting-main-20180215-story.html
Accused Florida school shooter confesses; he headed to Subway, then McDonald's after massacre
By David Fleshler, Paula McMahon, Lisa J. Huriash, Linda Trischitta

 

[dennishoddy]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...rida-school-shooting-main-20180215-story.html
Accused Florida school shooter confesses; he headed to Subway, then McDonald's after massacre
By David Fleshler, Paula McMahon, Lisa J. Huriash, Linda Trischitta

ditched his weapon, and went out with the rest of the students.

 

[RugersGR8]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20180215
Report: FBI Warned About Potential School Shooter Named Nikolas Cruz in September
by JOHN NOLTE
15 Feb 2018

 

[RugersGR8]

This was originally posted by chadh2o in the Law and Order forum:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...as-cruz-youtube-threats-profile-social-media/
LIES! FBI Says They Could Not Identify “Nikolas Cruz” after YouTube Threats — BUT HIS PROFILE AND NAME WAS ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA!
February 15, 2018 by Jim Hoft

 

[RugersGR8]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...ng-threat-from?utm_term=.ffq4qZYPk#.koZDJOjZ3
The FBI Was Warned About A School Shooting Threat From A YouTube User Named Nikolas Cruz In September
In September, a YouTube user named Nikolas Cruz left a comment on a video stating, "I'm going to be a professional school shooter." The video's creator alerted both the FBI and YouTube.
Originally posted on February 15, 2018, at 3:24 a.m.
Updated on February 15, 2018, at 10:22 a.m.
Brianna Sacks

 

[tRidiot]

To those wondering about a connection between use of antidepressants and mental health medications - is it the chicken or the egg? Do you think meds are MAKING people worse and more likely to commit atrocities? Or do you think those people had a mental illness and were prone to this, but the meds didn't make enough difference to help them?

Along the same line of "100 million American gun owners who didn't kill anybody today"....

There are over 80 million Americans currently taking antidepressant medications who didn't kill anybody today. So do you think the medications are any more responsible for causing these situations than the guns in our possession are responsible for causing them?

 

[Go_Ordnance]

To those wondering about a connection between use of antidepressants and mental health medications - is it the chicken or the egg? Do you think meds are MAKING people worse and more likely to commit atrocities? Or do you think those people had a mental illness and were prone to this, but the meds didn't make enough difference to help them?

Along the same line of "100 million American gun owners who didn't kill anybody today"....

There are over 80 million Americans currently taking antidepressant medications who didn't kill anybody today. So do you think the medications are any more responsible for causing these situations than the guns in our possession are responsible for causing them?

Mass school shootings are a relatively new thing, where gun ownership has been a cultural constant since the founding of the country. People with mental illness have also been a constant. If the problem is that the meds didn't make enough difference to help, we should see more of these type of events over the past 100 years or more. We don't though.

The changes to the DSM III in the 80's (and subsequent revisions) introduced a litany of "disorders", and the drug companies were quick to respond.

The side effects of SSRI's, which include: mood or behavior changes, confusion, anxiety, panic attacks, hallucinations, extreme fear, impulsive behavior, agitation, aggressiveness, hostility, thoughts about suicide, etc... don't manifest themselves in everyone, which is why 100% of people on medications don't go around committing atrocities. There appears to be correlation that it does cause some people to. Why wouldn't we look there, instead of dismissing it since it doesn't affect 100%? Psychotropic drugs are certainly due a look, to see what (if any) involvement they play in these types of events.

I believe we over diagnose all sorts of made up "disorders", and write a prescription. Just looking at ADHD, we diagnose around 9% of American children (mainly boys) with it, where France has around .5%. They also don't treat it (or other problems in kids) with drugs. Strangely, they also don't have a rash of mass school shootings. Link: Why French kids don't have ADHD