Florida school shooting

[tRidiot]

Mass school shootings are a relatively new thing, where gun ownership has been a cultural constant since the founding of the country. People with mental illness have also been a constant. If the problem is that the meds didn't make enough difference to help, we should see more of these type of events over the past 100 years or more. We don't though.

The changes to the DSM III in the 80's (and subsequent revisions) introduced a litany of "disorders", and the drug companies were quick to respond.

The side effects of SSRI's, which include: mood or behavior changes, confusion, anxiety, panic attacks, hallucinations, extreme fear, impulsive behavior, agitation, aggressiveness, hostility, thoughts about suicide, etc... don't manifest themselves in everyone, which is why 100% of people on medications don't go around committing atrocities. There appears to be correlation that it does cause some people to. Why wouldn't we look there, instead of dismissing it since it doesn't affect 100%? Psychotropic drugs are certainly due a look, to see what (if any) involvement they play in these types of events.

I believe we over diagnose all sorts of made up "disorders", and write a prescription. Just looking at ADHD, we diagnose around 9% of American children (mainly boys) with it, where France has around .5%. They also don't treat it (or other problems in kids) with drugs. Strangely, they also don't have a rash of mass school shootings. Link: Why French kids don't have ADHD

You ever think that maybe there is a profound and fundamental change in our country, our people, the way our children are raised, our society and the general makeup of the American psyche that might be a contributing factor, as well? Blame the meds all you like, blame "made up" diagnoses you don't understand, whatever you like. I still say it's the chicken and the egg - and from someone on the front lines of the fight against mental illness, I think you've got it all wrong, personally.

 

[CHenry]

Funds and support for mental illness facilities was drropped years ago. I think this is a contributing factor.

 

[CHenry]

Or maybe its been happening since day one.

http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states#.Wob0EK6nHmE

 

[sh00ter]

You guys can blame anti-depressants and that is a down stream factor but the real root, up-stream cause is cultural marxism and other liberalization of our culture. You can watch some vids on youtube about it. The more tranny bathrooms and liberals putting 6yr olds on gender hormone therapy, and snowflakes/antifa culture, lack of discipline in schools, lack of father figures, etc. then the more messed up people (mainly young people) we will have per capita. It's a fact...any proposed solutions (gun control, mental health laws, etc.) that doesn't push back in the culture war and reverse some of who we are as a people and our shared values, is just a band-aid fix. But again, if you are on this forum you already probably know this.

 

[CHenry]

You guys can blame anti-depressants and that is a down stream factor but the real root, up-stream cause is cultural marxism and other liberalization of our culture. You can watch some vids on youtube about it. The more tranny bathrooms and liberals putting 6yr olds on gender hormone therapy, and snowflakes/antifa culture, lack of discipline in schools, lack of father figures, etc. then the more messed up people (mainly young people) we will have per capita. It's a fact...any proposed solutions (gun control, mental health laws, etc.) that doesn't push back in the culture war and reverse some of who we are as a people and our shared values, is just a band-aid fix. But again, if you are on this forum you already probably know this.

Or you could read the article I posted and research other history outlets and see this is nothing new....which blows all your theories out of the water.

 

[Uncle Meat]

I saw this posted comment on WRSA today...

"Right on Lineman. I have 2 out of 7 left, twins. Son comes in the shop yesterday, I asked him how his day is going, he says “Well, despite moms slave driving history reading assignment, way better than those poor kids in Florida.” And he looked at me for a long minute, then he hugged me…..real tight. 13 yrs. old, 6′, 200#….tight. God has provided a way out of the madness, Scripture says Fathers, teach your children."

Thanks for sharing that.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

These people committing these crimes can't be all that 'mentally ill'. They are sharp enough to choose gun-free zones, choose victims who will draw the maximum emotion out of the victim's loved ones and society in general, and often include an escape plan if they don't choose to kill themselves. Are they emotionally disturbed and/or lacking a conscience? Yup. But, would they choose a venue where their plans would fail or have minimal success at best? No. Someone shooting back would certainly foil their plans.

Bottom line? These events can almost never be prevented, but they can certainly be halted when intended victims can shoot back.

Woody

 

[sh00ter]

Or you could read the article I posted and research other history outlets and see this is nothing new....which blows all your theories out of the water.

I know there has always been violence...but it is undeniable that things are going on in our culture now that would have been laughable 20-30yrs ago...the only thing that seems to cure it is a great depression...my step daughters listen to celebrities and bloggers and won't eat meat...one of them is on ssri drug...one of them looks like a skeleton...veganism is just an analog for cannibalism in the future...soylent green is made out of people...if you are a 60yr old man with an enlarged prostate red meat might not be your friend...but an adolecsent or teenage girl needs a ton of it...but the media and pop culture brainwashes these kids for the earth to do something factually wrong and unhealthy for them. If they went WITHOUT food, then they'd understand...hard times cures a lot of snowflake behavior.

In once sense human nature is violent, but a Christian society where kids go fishing with grandpa and climb trees and shoot BB guns doesn't produce the kind of warped people per capita as modern American social justice culture does...its just a fact. I'm not saying you are wrong, but you are looking at it from a broader view...I am focusing in comparing 1950's - 1980's America to now. The liberals are doing some damage...they hate the nuclear family and prosperity, etc...

 

[Glocktogo]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20180215
After Donald Trump Speaks, Obama Demands Gun Control In Response to School Shooting
by CHARLIE SPIERING
15 Feb 2018

Obviously the first thing Trump should do, is restrict the media's 1st Amendment right to publish the shooter's name or any information about his life. Enacting common sense information control measures such as this would drastically cut down on the number of mass shootings perpetrated by wannabe's, inspired by the way the media glorifies them. Then we could do a 10 year study to see what effect this has on mass shooting attacks.

Violence experts say this will have a dramatic effect in reducing the number of mass shootings. We must listen to these experts and restrict the 1st Amendment rights of the media in the name of public safety. We all respect the 1st Amendment rights of the media to own broadcast equipment, but that doesn't mean we can't enact reasonable common sense restrictions for the sake of the children.

 

[Okie4570]

Or you could read the article I posted and research other history outlets and see this is nothing new....which blows all your theories out of the water.

Did you read each account and did you see any differences or change in the accounts since the mid/late 80's? It's glaringly obvious.