Florida school shooting

[Shadowrider]

And they're not grounds in and of themselves for any official action. Combine them with taking ammunition to a prohibited place (a school), making threats, etc., though, and there's probably enough to justify a warrant, which could lead to further evidence.

As I was typing this, Riley's post immediately above appeared. It looks like there was more than enough evidence to do some serious digging, probably to include warrants. Even making the threat without bringing live ammo to school is probably close enough to the "making terroristic threats" statutes to get something done.

Not being facetious or anything, serious question here. Say he had 45 fully loaded 30rd pmags and 2 M4 clones locked up in a gun safe. Lets say it was all purchased and possessed legally. Then what? Are you talking arrest warrants or search warrants? This is a slippery slope and it got there really quickly. Personally I'm just as leery of all the "see something, say something" talk as I am the gun control talk.

There's no quick fix to this, the real problem is instant worldwide access to live media promoting emotional, sensationalistic events nonstop 24/7/365. Couple that with evil bastards doing evil things and it has an effect on society. Society is going to have to learn to parse things and get back to what's important. Gun control, mental institutions, etc. isn't going to fix a damn thing. Society is broken...

 

[CHenry]

Not being facetious or anything, serious question here. Say he had 45 fully loaded 30rd pmags and 2 M4 clones locked up in a gun safe. Lets say it was all purchased and possessed legally. Then what? Are you talking arrest warrants or search warrants? This is a slippery slope and it got there really quickly. Personally I'm just as leery of all the "see something, say something" talk as I am the gun control talk.

There's no quick fix to this, the real problem is instant worldwide access to live media promoting emotional, sensationalistic events nonstop 24/7/365. Couple that with evil bastards doing evil things and it has an effect on society. Society is going to have to learn to parse things and get back to what's important. Gun control, mental institutions, etc. isn't going to fix a damn thing. Society is broken...

When he posted on instagram that he wanted to "be a professional school shooter", I think all gray area turned red but the FBI dropped the ball.
but I see your point.

 

[Pokem807]

How long until CNN and the rest turn “see something, say something” into the equivalent of “SWAT your neighbor if he owns a gun”?


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[Dave70968]

Not being facetious or anything, serious question here. Say he had 45 fully loaded 30rd pmags and 2 M4 clones locked up in a gun safe. Lets say it was all purchased and possessed legally. Then what? Are you talking arrest warrants or search warrants? This is a slippery slope and it got there really quickly. Personally I'm just as leery of all the "see something, say something" talk as I am the gun control talk.

There's no quick fix to this, the real problem is instant worldwide access to live media promoting emotional, sensationalistic events nonstop 24/7/365. Couple that with evil bastards doing evil things and it has an effect on society. Society is going to have to learn to parse things and get back to what's important. Gun control, mental institutions, etc. isn't going to fix a damn thing. Society is broken...

That by itself, I'm talking nothing. That, combined with bringing ammo to school, combined with making threats, combined with school officials feeling it appropriate to warn the entire staff, combined with YouTube comments about being a "professional school shooter?" Then we're definitely well into search warrant territory, and the direct threats, ammunition, and comments about being a school shooter probably come close enough to "terroristic threats" legislation to take us all the way to an arrest warrant.

It's not just the one thing; it's one thing, plus a couple other things, leading to a raised eyebrow, and a whole lot more things taken in total leading to probable cause. You know: good, basic police work.

 

[Go_Ordnance]

I think I see a trend...

• Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 16 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system.
• Omaha, Nebraska – December 5, 2007: 19-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people and wounded five before committing suicide in an Omaha mall. Hawkins’ friend told CNN that the gunman was on antidepressants, and autopsy results confirmed he was under the influence of the “anti-anxiety” drug Valium.
• Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
• Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
• Blacksburg, Virginia – April 16, 2007: 23-year-old Seung Hui Cho shot to death 32 students and faculty of Virginia Tech, wounding 17 more, and then killing himself. He had received prior mental health treatment, however his mental health records remained sealed.
• Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 7 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
• Greenbush, New York – February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking “medication for depression”.
• El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School.
• Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
• Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
• Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed.
• Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
• Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.

 

[Shadowrider]

That by itself, I'm talking nothing. That, combined with bringing ammo to school, combined with making threats, combined with school officials feeling it appropriate to warn the entire staff, combined with YouTube comments about being a "professional school shooter?" Then we're definitely well into search warrant territory, and the direct threats, ammunition, and comments about being a school shooter probably come close enough to "terroristic threats" legislation to take us all the way to an arrest warrant.

It's not just the one thing; it's one thing, plus a couple other things, leading to a raised eyebrow, and a whole lot more things taken in total leading to probable cause. You know: good, basic police work.

OK that makes sense and is reasonable.

But it kind of goes back to my society point. It's going to turn into a 1A fight and society is going to have to decide what's acceptable. The digital media thing has basically brought the "yelling fire in a theatre" right back up in my mind. We're going to have to decide what we are able to tolerate and not just throw up the 1A and say "tough titty, I can say what I want". Mind you these same people while screaming for gun control, and for some, abolishing the 2A entirely will fight to the death over all things 1A (I'm talking news media here). The adults need to be in charge and there aren't really any to be found anymore.

 

[Slim Deal]

I saw this posted comment on WRSA today...

"Right on Lineman. I have 2 out of 7 left, twins. Son comes in the shop yesterday, I asked him how his day is going, he says “Well, despite moms slave driving history reading assignment, way better than those poor kids in Florida.” And he looked at me for a long minute, then he hugged me…..real tight. 13 yrs. old, 6′, 200#….tight. God has provided a way out of the madness, Scripture says Fathers, teach your children."

 

[TerryMiller]

My points:

2.) If the left "really" cared about mass-k1llings they'd care about the 54 million aborted since roe v wade. They only care about the victims when it suits their political agenda. That's why they don't care about people killed by illegals or they mocked the vegas victims because they were most likley trump supporters at a county music concert.

Actually, the number is over 60 million since Roe v Wade. Years ago, I provided a number to a liberal during an online chat and he demanded that I tell him where those numbers came from. (The numbers were much lower then.) I told him it was the Centers for Disease Control and the Guttmacher Institute. CDC gets their numbers from the states, but not all states and cities report those numbers. Guttmacher Institute gets their numbers from the abortion providers, and it's likely that there are those that don't report to them either. Below is a link to the stats since Roe v Wade in 1973.

Abortion in the US

 

[live4sumthng/Die4sumthng]

Im feel saddened for those involved & their families & we all know the drive by media will blame it on the gun. We know very little about what was going on in his life & i think as a society today its so much different from 10 years ago high school kids are trying to have babies because they think its cool & they are trying to be adults because no one is teaching them to be a kids, the saddest part is they aren't raising their kids, they put them i front of the tv or tablet & think that is parenting, i think kids today arent discipined enough or shown the love they need & not to mention theyre not teaching them to live in gods eyes its sad that its almost a crime to teach the bible to our youth & yet we wonder why our kids are lost & do such horrific tragedies and violence all the time.

 

[RugersGR8]

Tucker: Calls for gun control are a kind of class warfare
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Published on Feb 15, 2018