HB2522: Open Carry

[mons meg]

Russell did that last year with one of his own bills. It was not going to get a hearing in public safety so he ran a bill through wildlife. After it got through wildlife, he filed an amendment to strike the entire text and replace it with the text the public safety committee would not hear so it could be voted on by the full senate. Granted he was the author of the bill, but this is more game playing end run tactic than the house committee sub for SB1733.

I did not remember that...that's some fantastic procedural acrobatics.

 

[Werewolf]

OKLA. STAT. ANN. tit. 21 1289.24 (2011) The State Legislature hereby occupies and preempts the entire field of legislation in this state touching in any way firearms, components, ammunition, and supplies to the complete exclusion of any order, ordinance, or regulation by any municipality or other political subdivision of this state

See above.

Assuming a municipality did cite someone open carrying for disturbing the peace I imagine that even a less than competent attorney could get the charge dropped fairly easily.

Of course, politicians and others being what they are it is always a good thing to be as specific as possible when it comes to the law so putting state preemption language in the OC law re: can't cite for disturbing the peace surely wouldn't hurt. Probably would keep not a few citizens from being ticketed and/or otherwise hassled and faced with the expense of fighting it.

 

[hrdware]

I did not remember that...that's some fantastic procedural acrobatics.

SB129 Check out the history, amendments, and revisions.

 

[Caseman]

Did the House Public Safety Committee vote on SB1733 today?

 

[hrdware]

Committee meeting is tomorrow. After the committee meeting I will be posting results of all bills heard.

 

[Seth247]

"Lighten up, Francis"

Statement of fact, not defending anything. Also, deleting all text and replace with X doesn't necessarily mean they gutted a bill. If you look at SB1733, they remove all language and replace with....the old language plus changes. Think of it more as a legislative cut-and-paste. It's used all the time to cut down on clerical errors.

Edit: what hrdware said, didn't post quick enough

Yes, thank you. We are all aware of the reason for the practice. And we are all also aware that Russell's motivations had nothing to do with it. He did it out of spite, and that's all there is to it. Maybe he also thought that the whole "nra instructor class" bit was a good idea too, but his bill was, over all, far inferior to the house bill in many ways. He even came out and said he did it because they(the house) wouldn't let his bill out of committee last year. Those are his own words.

 

[tRidiot]

Yes, thank you. We are all aware of the reason for the practice. And we are all also aware that Russell's motivations had nothing to do with it. He did it out of spite, and that's all there is to it. Maybe he also thought that the whole "nra instructor class" bit was a good idea too, but his bill was, over all, far inferior to the house bill in many ways. He even came out and said he did it because they(the house) wouldn't let his bill out of committee last year. Those are his own words.

Exactly... games.

Not concerned with our rights, or with behaving in a manner befitting the integrity of the offices bestowed upon them... concerned with their reputations or "perceived slights" by members in another house.

 

[mons meg]

Measure SB1733 is now being heard by House Public Safety committee.

I can't see that House committee meetings have streaming video. Drat. Any flies on the wall are welcome to chime in.

 

[mons meg]

Yes, thank you. We are all aware of the reason for the practice. And we are all also aware that Russell's motivations had nothing to do with it. He did it out of spite, and that's all there is to it. Maybe he also thought that the whole "nra instructor class" bit was a good idea too, but his bill was, over all, far inferior to the house bill in many ways. He even came out and said he did it because they(the house) wouldn't let his bill out of committee last year. Those are his own words.

Before anyone gets confused or unnecessarily bent out of shape, I am not, nor have ever, indicated I support the practice of gutting a bill and replacing it with something entirely different. I merely indicated that the practice of deleting the entire text of a bill and replacing it with an entirely similar but slightly modified bill is often used as a safer way to make an amendment, as was done in the case of SB1733 on the House side. Same clerical tool, entirely different intent and outcome.

Russel's actions appear childish, and are an affront to spirit of the legislative process. However well intentioned they might have been, his actions are a set back to the pragmatic, incremental, long-game approach favored by myself, and similar minded folks at OK2A not to mention most of us on this board. Never let best get in the way of better, and all that.

Cheers!

 

[hrdware]

SB1785 - Reciprocity with states that don't issue permits passed the House Public Safety Committee
SB1541 - Allowing AG and AAGs to carry a firearm anywhere with a permit passed the House Public Safety Committee
SB1733 - A committee substitute was introduced that replaced the text of SB1733 with the text of the engrossed HB2522 and passed the House Public Safety Committee

SB1743 - Allowing hunters to use suppressors had an amendment against poaching and passed the House Agriculture/Wildlife Committee